More / Better Moderators needed.

[cunning]

Hmm, but then the forum manager(s) could just pick good friends?

Or pick people who have never caused them trouble i.e complaining against them.

Oh, never really thought about that, I guess your way would be better...

[today]

Is it weird that i've been in this thread for all of the 32 pages... there will be problems but they can be softened out as the idea progresses... and when its introduced.. its bound to hit problems, but i'm sure we can resolve them

Well said :]

There will be problems but it needs to be discussed first with Sierk before we even think of other ideas =p

[Lycan]

Well said :]

There will be problems but it needs to be discussed first with Sierk before we even think of other ideas =p

lol, true, i actually got -repped by my last post with the comment 'learn to type' funny thing that it was just spelling being randomly off, not unable to type, because typing could be any random selection of letters, numbers and symbols. so my reply to that sad sad user is, Learn how to use that brain of yours

[Cixso]

lol, true, i actually got -repped by my last post with the comment 'learn to type' funny thing that it was just spelling being randomly off, not unable to type, because typing could be any random selection of letters, numbers and symbols. so my reply to that sad sad user is, Learn how to use that brain of yours

Yeah, that always happeneds. When users know they are wrong they usually -rep or look for an old post of yours.

[Spherical]

It's quite sad really, can't hack it I guess.

[nvrspk4]

Hey,

Apologies for this thread going so long without a management reply, I was away Saturday and spent most of Sunday night replying to my 73 PMs and sorting out VIP problems I also apologize, because I've done a lot of work today, I took the liberty of reading to about page 15 and then reading about 4 pages between 15 and 30. So I am going to outline things that you may have suggested, I am not aiming to steal your idea, I simply was for once lazy and don't have the time to read 17 pages of the same stuff.

One thing I will say, please, don't turn this into fights as I saw midway through. There is a good point in this thread, and I'd be really dissapointed if we had to shut one of the few civil discussions because some people decided that they just had to have a catfight in this thread. Accept that others may not share your views, and that doesn't mean they or you are wrong, it just means that you have different opinions, which is fine. Onto the replies.

Has anyone ever suggested a Forum Council (sorry, this is related to a post earlier in the thread so it isnt too off topic ). People who meet a few times a month and suggest way on how to improve the forum, build ideas, based on what the Habbox Public want. Cus as someone said earlier, Im not sure MAD is entirely in touch with what his audience wants, and it may be better for people who are well known on the forum, and know what they want to be part of helping.

But back to the not enough/no experienced moderators...I really havent noticed a problem. But then again I cant really be one to make an opinion on the matter as I spend a lot of my time in the staff forums sorting out my department But hey, I thought the first rule of a company/buisiness/service was "The customer is always right".

Yes actually, we have tried to get this running, if Smiddums is somewhere he was in charge of starting up a Council, as delegated by sierk, but he resigned, and the entire thing died.

So Whos up for Communism? ,


http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=400843

... is this how Habbox Moderators deal with a real problem like E-Bullying.... thats just appalling

There is a specific place for those kinds of posts, and perhaps the moderator PMd the member about it. I agree that it probably wasn't the best way to go about it if he didn't PM him, but people will make mistakes. I'd appreciate it if things singling out specific moderators were PMd to me or MAD though, we will deal with them, its just that publically putting people on the spot usually leads to them being defensive, which makes the environment rather tense, thus slowing down discussion.

Yea, making Discuss Anything a read only forum is a great idea.

Oh sorry -cries- :rolleyes:

I wonder how long it takes to get that post edited (dont report it )

T minus 8 minutes. Not bad eh?

yoyo waa gwaninnn :p

Lol the forum is fine, it just looks like some members need bringing down a level!
It seems like the fun-ness and messing round has dissapeard and its all done by the book ( I know i aint making sense but you should be able to get it)

That is one of the things I've noticed, and commented on several times. I know I sound like a right prat going on about how things were in the old days, but I feel that its a sort of cycle, the members expect the Staff to be perfect, so because of that staff don't have room for interpretation, or personal flair, personal harshness or leniency, because if they don't do everything exactly by the book, they often get their very own thread in this very forum. Then, because of that, things are often harder for us to deal with on a person-by-person basis, and people get upset about it, because their situation was extenuating, but the mod dealt with it by the book. Its really a neverending cycle that makes everyone unhappy, but really until mods are no longer held up to a magnifying glass, nothing can really change.

I think the big moment of change where members really started criticizing mods is when infractions came in. The simple reason was, members got huge amounts of usernotes, more than the current infractions, and more unfair even. However the member couldn't see the usernotes, therefore they didn't complain. Then when they were banned, when it was said, "Oh you had 15 usernotes" there wasn't much dissent. As soon as members got to see every time they were infracted, they decided to kick up a fuss (well, I can't generalize and say all members, as some are mature about it) but nobody can seem to accept that moderators don't have a driving need to issue as many infractions and get as many people banned as they can. They're just trying to do their jobs.



As far as the council idea, I think its terrific. Here's my ideas about it, and I apologize once again if I mention something someone else has suggested, its simply because I sorta skipped half the thread.


Habbox Council is comprised of 21 members and an executive board of 5.

Executive Board

Management - 2
Staff - 1
Members - 1
VIPs - 1

General Council

Management - 2 + 1 department manager
Staff - 6
Members - 6
VIPs - 6


Terms - Each member of the VIP and Member council are elected for two month "terms". After that, there is another election, where members may run again, or choose to let someone else. Members who have server 3 consecutive terms must sit out at least one term before trying to run again, to get fresh ideas in.


Nominations - For members, nominations would be made in a closed forums where only admins could see the threads. The members with the top 20 votes would be looked through, and those who did not fit the criteria (see next section) would be removed. The top 5 of the remaining members would move on to general elections. Of the top 30 (eligible) members, management would also select 5 candidates. This way, there is an even match.

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

• Have less than 6 active infraction points.
• Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
• Must have no less than 150 posts.
• Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
• Must be active and willing to listen to ideas

"Elections" - The 10 candidates, selected by admins and members, would be put to a public vote, open for 7 days. The top 6 members would move on to become the Member Council Reps for those two months.

VIPs - VIPs can nominate and vote in the normal elections, but they may also vote for and nominate VIP reps in a special VIP forum, and these VIP reps will serve as voicing the concerns of VIPs which I believe are underrepresented on the forums.

Staff - Staff will function sort of differently, the staff will nominate one staff member (other than the manager) for that term, and the manager may opt to choose one member on top of that (not required). Then all managers will submit names to (A)GMs, who will then post a poll, allowing staff members to elect their 6 representatives. The (A)GMs will also post a poll with all the managers, and people will select who will accompany the two members of management to make up the management portion of the council. The same rules with terms apply to Staff and VIPs.


Functions of the Council - To ensure that this doesn't become an "abuse of power" kind of thing, I don't believe that the council should be given the power to actually execute actions, such as to hire or fire people, or institute changes of their own accord. Otherwise people would run for the simple reason of gaining power, as opposed to representing members. The Council, therefore, would gather ideas and propose new ones, and discuss them in a closed forum, as well as taking in ideas from the Feedback Forum. Votes might be taken, however management will probably take this into account, but reserves the right to deny changes based on workability, difficulty to execute, danger to the safety of the board, limited resources, etc. etc.

"Meetings" - There would probably be a Council Drop-In sort of thing with open stickies and also council members to take ideas, and sort of be a chill-out place. Also Council members could explain what they've been discussing, in addition to a perhaps biweekly summary posted on the forums, and perhaps a monthly Meet the Council type of thing? Each would have a little part in the thread, and in the Meet the Council thing on Habbo. However the main meeting place for the council itself would be the closed forums.

Administration and Impeachment - Any council member who is banned permanantly, or for serious offences, will be removed from the council immediately, and replaced by the next runner up. Habbox Management will reserve the right to decide what serious offenses are, but if you get banned you really shouldn't be on Council, because that's just being irresponsible and unfair to your fellow members. For Staff, when they are fired they will be "impeached" from their position as the Staff Rep, and if they resign from all jobs it will also be considered a resignation from the Council. The next Runner Up will take their place. (This is why there will be more candidates for staff, we're more likely to lose someone to a resignation or a firing than to a banning.)


That's just the basic layout, but what do you guys think? I'm open to suggestions, additions, or modifications.

nvr

[Mr.OSH]

I have to say after replying to most of the recent pages your summary of the layout for a council idea is very good, I really like it. If we could construct this and keep it controlled and well thought out I can imagine there would be a good chance we could see this succeeding. Thank you for that nvrspk4.

[Soil]

nvrspeek4, you summed it up very nicely.
Only problem about VIP Council Members - what if their VIP runs out like 10 days after they become a member or before their term ends?

I think that 4 normal members should be picked through the nominations, and the other two should be picked by management.

Also, how does a normal member get into the "Executive Board"?

[Lycan]

Requirements - Candidates for Habbox Council must

* Have less than 6 active infraction points.
* Have no more than 2 bans (temporary).
* Must have no less than 150 posts.
* Must have been a member for at least 4 months (on the account they are running.)
* Must be active and willing to listen to ideas




Surely that infraction level is too high.... i call 6 points pretty high personally, and to get an infraction you break a rule more then once (normally get warned th first time) ... Halfing that to 3 might be a more realistic way.

Again... Surely 1 ban or no bans rather then someone who has broke serrious rules in the past.

The rest are fine, but i guess in the end its the members vote that would get the in anyway in your version of the council.

[Wizzdom]

Tad late on a reply but from what i have seen in the Games section, everything is almost sorted out within minutes by a Games Moderator, if not a Super mod.

The problem is with a few new moderators who are not experienced will struggle at first because from what i have seen in the games forum, the Super Mods work their behinds off and take every single report. I believe some Moderators rely on the reports to come in rather than looking around the forum for the rule breakings.

Like mentioned earlier, alot of the rules have changed and some rules like the pointless posting, are now basically ignored. An edit would be the best action.

I have only read up to page 15 and then it kind of got boring. Other than that, excellent discussion i think.

The council sounds a great idea but who would organise it