Conservatives remain divided over EU

[ifuseekamy]

I think theres a stigma on the EU that they're a bunch of bad guys, before we lament them we should try and sort out our own sleazy government and parliament first.

At least we have some control with our government. The EU is ruled by unelected ministers. If you've ever read Orwell's '1984' you'd notice the ridiculous resemblance between the "Big Brother" party in that and the EU. It gains popularity on the notion that a lack of liberal rights and democracy is for some sort of greater good. Not being part of the EU does not mean cutting our ties with Europe. If that's what they're threatening us with then it just proves how power greedy they are. The euro is flawed as shown by its dragging down of the once productive economies of Greece and Spain.

[LuketheDuke]

I'd ask you to read the EU charter on regulation and tell me where its neccessarily weak as from what Ive read (revision for exam on friday) its been fundamentally the same since we joined in the 70's with various pork barrell spending on it that gives independent benefit to certain nations, ie the agricultural settlement negotiated by Thatcher.

We also elect a proportion of who sits in Brussells so if this 75% thing is correct Id argue this country is flawed if only 38% can be bothered to vote. Sounds like we don't/won't care about issues and this is a major flaw of all 3 main parties.

We need more small party/independent MP's and MEP's to represent the growing number of people who notice that mainstream politics are broken to kick the big boys into shape. I can hope that this year whenever a GE is called parties such as the Greens deliver this kick up the backside for greedy Labour/Tory/Lib Dem tyrants.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The EU charter will not mention all the regulation that has been put on as it is a charter and not a list. Over 75% of our laws are forced through by the European Union, therefore the EU has grown in size and is far more powerful than it was in the 1970s. Do not try and hide it by asking us to read EU charts and so forth, we know and everybody knows the EU has become more powerful over time, even supporters of the European Union acknowledge this.

The parliament does not make the laws, we are talking about the people above the parliament who are not elected and can direct the European Union in which ever way they see fit. I can't even believe your arguing over that, surely the fact we are being ruled by foreigners in a different country should be shocking to anyone?

What we need is for Labour to be finished off in a General Election so that it can't bankrupt this country once again, a Conservative Party which has real Conservative values and for us to leave the European Union. People are sick of political correctness, soft on crime, soft on immigration.. the list just goes on and on.

[LuketheDuke]

Im gonna play devils advocate here

38% turnout for our MEP's to represent us in the EU. If so many people cared that strongly about it where are they? MEP's from other countries do not litigate on British Laws, they draw up universal legislation thats broad based to everybody so you dont have a man from Italy outside your house wanting to demolish it for the benefit of his country right?

We've been part of the EU for coming up for 40 years, through different ideologically concerned governments so if it didnt work we'd have been taken out right?

And for the conservative party your joking right? A man who charged us for removing a wysteria from his house to be Prime Minister? A man from the socially biased elitist background that this country has gone to lengths to get rid of? A party who incidently would not withdraw out of Europe anyway? A party who in the midst of a terrible government can make the gain of ONE seat in the european elections.

I think we need to open our eyes and see parliament is corrupt, time to vote in new parties with real ideas and not faceless large parties who charge their taxpayers for horse manure.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I am not talking about the Parliament I am talking about the ones who hold the real power in the European Union, the commission and council.

If we are talking about David Cameron I have my doubts about him aswell, however gaining one seat in the European Elections was better than nearly losing all of your seats and coming behind the United Kingdom Independance Party.

I agree we do, and I think any MP who has been shown to have been abusing the system should be thrown out of parliament and an investigation (criminal) taken place which would look into the case/s.