Rare Values Revamp

[Mr-Trainor]

Ok so back towards the end of last year (October-December roughly) I wanted to revamp the way the Rare Values department works, and recently I've seen that Dan seems to have similar ambitions but ultimately I was told to wait until after v7 before any of the three proposals were considered. I thought it'd be interesting to share them, as I saw Dan had mentioned them in his congrats thread, and see what everything else thinks.


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Proposal 1

So this was the first of an eventual three proposals, and has been my own idea of what Rare Values should be for a while. Note.. RARE Values. My suggestion was to stop valuing the majority of items that are on Habbox, and just stick with the main categories (Classic Rares, the v7 collections, Branded Furni, Limited Edition Rares, and other sections containing Rares). I later revamped this to basically say that we should value LTD, Gold Star and Silver Star items (those tags you see on an in the tooltip).

A potential problem would be high value items which are bronze star (if there are any) which people may want values for, and also teleported which can't go in the marketplace

Here's how it was originally proposed:

The system stays as it is now, but categories such as School, Drago, Christmas, etc will be moved to a separate section on the site where they exist purely as a furni database. This items will not be valued by rare values staff.

The sections valued by staff will include Classic Rares, Dragons, Monoliths, Branded Furni etc. Also LTDs, collectibles and MAYBE misc rares like the golden school chair/table.

This would cut the number of items VALUED on Habbox significantly, meaning greater focus and more accurate values as there's less choice of what to update.

However, other misc and seasonal sections will remain for other purposes e.g. looking for a furni range that'd suit your room, etc. But NOT for values (Will could do something to pull the mp values if he wanted but I wouldn't recommend that as people would be like 'do that for all items!!!111')

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Proposal 2

The second suggestion for revamp, which wasn't my idea but I can't remember whose it was - possibly @Skynus;'s, was to basically allow all Rare Values Reporters to edit values on the site. This would mean that their values would not need to be moderated before going live, but we may have had selected moderation where high value items needed moderation, or bronze star items were the ones which wouldn't require moderation. This would potentially mean more values updated, and a more up to date (value-wise) furni database for Habbox.

Trust would be the main problem with this, which is why I suggested we have logs (not sure why Habbox doesn't have them anyway tbh) and not allowing trialists to submit live unmoderated values.

Original text:

Give all staff access to update items. The HRVRs would however have to help management with value moderation of trialists values. Trialists will not be given access to update all items until they pass their trial, to ensure they aren't joining just to mess up the site!! This would work well with the v7 system *which might 1 day exist* as it'll log everything and we can ask chippiewill to add the ability to filter logs to specific people and maybe search logs too.

If this happened, we wouldn't necessarily have to remove all the items like in proposal 1, but it would mean waiting for v7 until we have logs so that if something goes wrong we can trace it down to the staff member.

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Proposal 3

The third suggestion was from @-:Undertaker:-; and Dan basically said that what we could do is value items worth 100c or more. The only problems I could/can see with this is that firstly, many items will fluctuate around the 100c mark such as the Frost Dragon which has been moving around the 95c-105c range lately. And also there's many other items of interest below the 100c mark which need valuing, such as Classic Rares like the Granite Fountain and Aloe Vera, and even some LTDs.

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So yeah, just thought I'd see what anyone thinks if anyone does have an opinion. Last month was the 3rd strongest month for Rare Values ever with over 1200 values updated but that'd still mean that on average an item is updated only once every 3-4 months!. I really think that Rare Values needs to change its focus and it's a shame I wasn't allowed to do so when I wanted to. This isn't leaking since everything in this thread is written by me, sorry if there's loads of spelling/grammar errors, was in a rush writing this (A).

[Kardan]

Wait, rare value reporters don't update the values on the site?

So their job is to literally post values in the staff sub-forum? Which is what regular members can do anyway?

Wow.

Personally I think Proposal 1 sounds very good, and you could put certain items on a case by case basis I think.

[Mr-Trainor]

Wait, rare value reporters don't update the values on the site?

So their job is to literally post values in the staff sub-forum? Which is what regular members can do anyway?

Wow.

Personally I think Proposal 1 sounds very good, and you could put certain items on a case by case basis I think.

They do update them on the site, but then they have to be approved or denied by a Rare Values Manager or Head Rare Values Reporter. Only those two roles which approved/deny values can post updates to values straight away without moderation.

[Kardan]

They do update them on the site, but then they have to be approved or denied by a Rare Values Manager or Head Rare Values Reporter. Only those two roles which approved/deny values can post updates to values straight away without moderation.

Personally I don't think moderation is necessary - maybe for trialists (Although I imagine that would require coding or whatever). Surely if you've managed to get onto the RV team, you should be trusted? I think they should be able to post the values straight the way, then at least the head reporters can browse over 'recent changes' or something.

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Ah, just realised that Proposal 2 basically covers all of this, and that says there isn't a 'recent changes' in regards to RV?

[Mr-Trainor]

Personally I don't think moderation is necessary - maybe for trialists (Although I imagine that would require coding or whatever). Surely if you've managed to get onto the RV team, you should be trusted? I think they should be able to post the values straight the way, then at least the head reporters can browse over 'recent changes' or something.

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Ah, just realised that Proposal 2 basically covers all of this, and that says there isn't a 'recent changes' in regards to RV?

Yeah there's currently no logs to see who has updated what so I wouldn't personally have put Proposal 2 in place until there was, just to be safe. And on Habbox.com/rv you can only see the last 4 items which were updated which makes it a little useless when there's often 10+ items updated at once.

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Also in regards to Proposal 2, the majority of updates are approved these days anyway, particularly as we tend to be more lenient than we would have prior to the marketplace existing, so I don't necessarily think it'd solve the problem of Rare Values focusing on too many items when it doesn't need to be.

[Kardan]

Yeah there's currently no logs to see who has updated what so I wouldn't personally have put Proposal 2 in place until there was, just to be safe. And on Habbox.com/rv you can only see the last 4 items which were updated which makes it a little useless when there's often 10+ items updated at once.

I agree Proposal 2 isn't much use until you have that log system.

Maybe a good idea is combining RV with HxW.

Not only does that give HxW a purpose, but then we don't have to wait for V7 to be coded, and things are already in place to see recent RV changes and what not.

Plus I'm sure the Wiki can have a usergroup of 'Rare Values' staff set up, so only they can edit values.

And could Habbox.com V7 be able to pull the values straight from the wiki?

[Mr-Trainor]

I agree Proposal 2 isn't much use until you have that log system.

Maybe a good idea is combining RV with HxW.

Not only does that give HxW a purpose, but then we don't have to wait for V7 to be coded, and things are already in place to see recent RV changes and what not.

Plus I'm sure the Wiki can have a usergroup of 'Rare Values' staff set up, so only they can edit values.

And could Habbox.com V7 be able to pull the values straight from the wiki?

That's an interesting idea but I'm not sure whether it'd actually work well in practice. Also, how would that solve the problem of there being no logs? The values on the Wiki are just taken from the Rare Values pages, and if values were just updating directly on the Wiki would there still be graphs and history etc - tbh I have no idea what the potentially functionality of the Wiki is .

[Kardan]

That's an interesting idea but I'm not sure whether it'd actually work well in practice. Also, how would that solve the problem of there being no logs? The values on the Wiki are just taken from the Rare Values pages, and if values were just updating directly on the Wiki would there still be graphs and history etc - tbh I have no idea what the potentially functionality of the Wiki is .

Well, if the rare values on the wiki were actually inputted, and Habbox actually pulled the values from the wiki (So essentially reversing the current method).

The Wiki has a page called 'Recent Changes', so you can see all the recent changes made to pages. I'm not sure how the Wiki works completely, but I'm sure you could create some sort of page that shows recent changes of a certain category of pages (E.g: Recent Pages of all rare values).

I'm not sure, maybe @lawrawrrr; can give some insight.

[Mr-Trainor]

Well, if the rare values on the wiki were actually inputted, and Habbox actually pulled the values from the wiki (So essentially reversing the current method).

The Wiki has a page called 'Recent Changes', so you can see all the recent changes made to pages. I'm not sure how the Wiki works completely, but I'm sure you could create some sort of page that shows recent changes of a certain category of pages (E.g: Recent Pages of all rare values).

I'm not sure, maybe @lawrawrrr; can give some insight.

Oo I see what you mean now, that could well be possible. Laura should know .

[lawrawrrr]

Well, if the rare values on the wiki were actually inputted, and Habbox actually pulled the values from the wiki (So essentially reversing the current method).

The Wiki has a page called 'Recent Changes', so you can see all the recent changes made to pages. I'm not sure how the Wiki works completely, but I'm sure you could create some sort of page that shows recent changes of a certain category of pages (E.g: Recent Pages of all rare values).

I'm not sure, maybe @lawrawrrr; can give some insight.

I don't know if you could pull the values off the wiki because it's not technical enough for that, but that's really not my field of expertise anyway. It just seems like a lot of effort to keep manually updating values - if we make the decision to scrap them for V7, like in proposal 1, then what's the point of keeping it all up on the wiki?