Liverpool. No. Width.

[StefanWolves]

That's all.

[.Shaun,,]

Maxi, Johnson, Meireles, Kuyt, Kelly. Enough said.

[StefanWolves]

Kuyt? Mereiles? Kelly? JOHNSON?

Well done, you named two centre midfielders, one STRIKER and one defender.

Liverpool have no width whatsoever.

What's the point in buying a target man when you have no wing play?

Dumb.

[.Shaun,,]

Actually there wing players so maybe get your facts right first?

Sorry I forgot to add Joe Cole.

[Describe]

Actually there wing players so maybe get your facts right first?

Sorry I forgot to add Joe Cole.
Martin Kelly is a full back/centre back and Glen Johnson is an attacking full back who on the occasion plays right midfield. Dirk Kuyt started as a striker but has been used as a winger both in the Netherlands team and at Liverpool, Raul Meireles is a central or defensive midfielder and Joe Cole is indeed a winger/attacking midfielder.

I'd agree with StefanWolves and say it isn't as strong as it should be. £35M is still a ridiculous price for Andy Carroll though, that argument goes on.

[mynameiswootzeh]

Yet they're still in a better position than Wolves...:hmm::hmm:

[Describe]

Yet they're still in a better position than Wolves...:hmm::hmm:
How predictable, lol.

[.Shaun,,]

What your forgetting is, players are playing in different roles under Kenny.

[Describe]

What your forgetting is, players are playing in different roles under Kenny.
Then please take us through 'King Kennys' plans of dominance.

[.Shaun,,]

I'm just going off how he has played the team recently. If I knew how he was going to 'dominate' am sure every other manager would be asking me that to, even tho I ask the same question to my self every weekend.

[Conservative,]

As Shaun listed really. Just because they're not NORMALLY on the wings, doesn't mean they can't play there. Kuyt isn't the greatest winger I admit, but Meirelles is, Cole is, Johnson is.

[StefanWolves]

Yet they're still in a better position than Wolves...:hmm::hmm:

I forgot the season ends in February.

Wonder how long it is before your banned. Don't you get the message? You're not wanted.

Btw you can shut it cause we've already beat you this season.

Edit- The lack of footballing knowledge in this section lately is scary. Saying Kelly, Kuyt, Mereiles etc are wingers is actually hilarious.

Unless Liverpool get some proper wingers e.g. Shaun Wright-Phillips/Ashley Young, Andy Carroll will be one huge flop.

[mynameiswootzeh]

I forgot the season ends in February.

Wonder how long it is before your banned. Don't you get the message? You're not wanted.

Btw you can shut it cause we've already beat you this season.


Hey I'm just stating the obviuos! It's not like Wovles are going to be ahead of Liverpool at the end of the season, you'll be in the championship. how about you stop attempting to troll liverpools fans?


oh you mad cause im stylin' on you

[Conservative,]

I forgot the season ends in February.

Wonder how long it is before your banned. Don't you get the message? You're not wanted.

Btw you can shut it cause we've already beat you this season.

Edit- The lack of footballing knowledge in this section lately is scary. Saying Kelly, Kuyt, Mereiles etc are wingers is actually hilarious.

Unless Liverpool get some proper wingers e.g. Shaun Wright-Phillips/Ashley Young, Andy Carroll will be one huge flop.

Just because their normal position is not winger, doesn't mean they can't play well there.

[.Shaun,,]

Tbh just because Wolves are on the verge of being religated, does not mean other teams are to. Liverpool have players capable of playing on the wings, Johnson and kelly make great runs from being left and right defence. Johnson's played the left wing many of times. Look at Kuyt and Joe Cole, Cole can play centre, Kuyt can play as a striker but they always get different posistions, as stated above just because they are named as playing in one role does not mean they can't play in others. So I really don't get what your problem is, I don't see you ripping the likes of Everton apart or Man City. Perfect example City players play all over the place so why can't Liverpool's? :S

[Andeeh]

Liverpool should have got Ashley Young and I hope they try and do something in the summer. They do have players who can play on the wings and do a decent job such as Kuyt but perhaps maybe bring in a specific winger in the summe and i'm sure they will challenging for Champions League places!

[.Shaun,,]

Liverpool should have got Ashley Young and I hope they try and do something in the summer. They do have players who can play on the wings and do a decent job such as Kuyt but perhaps maybe bring in a specific winger in the summe and i'm sure they will challenging for Champions League places!

Summer transfer window will be interesting, will prob invest in a new winger and maybe sell Lucas?

[Conservative,]

Summer transfer window will be interesting, will prob invest in a new winger and maybe sell Lucas?

Why sell Lucas? He's a good player and ever-improving, he's still young as well. Sell Kuyt imo. He hasn't done much really. He's just there to fill in the gaps now because we don't need him up front.

Did we sell Babel in the end because he's a winger?

[.Shaun,,]

Why sell Lucas? He's a good player and ever-improving, he's still young as well. Sell Kuyt imo. He hasn't done much really. He's just there to fill in the gaps now because we don't need him up front.

Did we sell Babel in the end because he's a winger?

I don't really like Lucas he annoys me sometimes :/ I like Kuyt especially when he's up for the game hopefully ready for Sunday! Yeah we sold Babel which was disappointing he was a good player left wing and a striker, liking Ngog to tho! :)

[-Heart]

Wolves are on the verge of being religated
It's February. We're only 3 points away from 17th.

Wow..

[Conservative,]

I don't really like Lucas he annoys me sometimes :/ I like Kuyt especially when he's up for the game hopefully ready for Sunday! Yeah we sold Babel which was disappointing he was a good player left wing and a striker, liking Ngog to tho! :)

Lucas is a better player than Kuyt imo...better all round and he's younger & could still improve. Shame we sold Babel, we need to give Ngog more of a run, when he's played, he's played well.

[CHA!NGANG]

Some of these posts are a joke, and is why this section is awful nowadays.

So your comeback for Stefan is: They're better then wolves? Yes Liverpool are better then Wolves, what's your point. What an immature reply.

Anyway, Liverpool have poor width. Someone just said Miereles is a great winger, and so is Johnson? You know nothing about your players if you think that. Miereles isn't a winger, far from it.

Liverpool have barely any natural width. Bendtner plays on the wing for us nowadays in most games, doesn't mean he's a good winger does it? Kuyt is average as a winger, so is Jovanovic who is actually poor so far. Cole isn't a natural winger anymore, he prefurs to play centrally. Maxi is a natural winger in a way, but nobody else in your squad is and it isn't even a debatable point, it's fact.

[.Shaun,,]

Liverpool have barely any natural width. Bendtner plays on the wing for us nowadays in most games, doesn't mean he's a good winger does it? Kuyt is average as a winger, so is Jovanovic who is actually poor so far. Cole isn't a natural winger anymore, he prefurs to play centrally. Maxi is a natural winger in a way, but nobody else in your squad is and it isn't even a debatable point, it's fact.

Nobody asked about Arsenal?

The thread said 'Liverpool no width.' We've named people who play on the wings and can go on from there, also named people who have played there so i don't see your problem.

Just to add in a previous post you said 'Liverpool would be a good team if we had a DM and a LB' make your mind up.

[CHA!NGANG]

Nobody asked about Arsenal?

The thread said 'Liverpool no width.' We've named people who play on the wings and can go on from there, also named people who have played there so i don't see your problem.

Just to add in a previous post you said 'Liverpool would be a good team if we had a DM and a LB' make your mind up.

It's a comparison. Bloody hell, what happened to the days where you didn't have to explain every single post you made and could assume that posters actually didn't post rubbish replies.

You've named players who can play on the wing yes, but you've not named natural wingers, which you only have 1 of. The thread was made to say that Liverpool have no natural wingers, not that Liverpool have no make-shift wingers who can play there. Heck, you can stick a DM as a CB and he can do an ok job, doesn't make him a CB does it?

And yes, you need a LB and a DM first imo in your first team, and a backup winger or two would also be very useful but you're not made of money. I thought every Liverpool fan knew you needed a LB first, or again am I assuming that you thought before you posted?

[.Shaun,,]

And yes, you need a LB and a DM first imo in your first team, and a backup winger or two would also be very useful but you're not made of money. I thought every Liverpool fan knew you needed a LB first, or again am I assuming that you thought before you posted?

Yeah I know we do. What I was saying was one min your saying we've got nothing then in the post before we only need 2 more players to be a good team, so your contradicting your self.

[CHA!NGANG]

Yeah I know we do. What I was saying was one min your saying we've got nothing then in the post before we only need 2 more players to be a good team, so your contradicting your self.

I was talking about your first XI, If J. Cole finds form again, then there will be no need for a starting winger as there would be no room, but you do need backup wingers who are natural ones. If Cole doesn't find form, then another winger who can start would be very useful. I know Cole isn't a natural winger, but there's no need spending money on a winger atm when you desperately need a LB. But it still doesn't change the fact that you have barely any natural width.

[mynameiswootzeh]

Some of these posts are a joke, and is why this section is awful nowadays.

So your comeback for Stefan is: They're better then wolves? Yes Liverpool are better then Wolves, what's your point. What an immature reply.

Anyway, Liverpool have poor width. Someone just said Miereles is a great winger, and so is Johnson? You know nothing about your players if you think that. Miereles isn't a winger, far from it.

Liverpool have barely any natural width. Bendtner plays on the wing for us nowadays in most games, doesn't mean he's a good winger does it? Kuyt is average as a winger, so is Jovanovic who is actually poor so far. Cole isn't a natural winger anymore, he prefurs to play centrally. Maxi is a natural winger in a way, but nobody else in your squad is and it isn't even a debatable point, it's fact.

Liverpool are better than Wolves.
Liverpool have no width but Wolves do, what's the point of this thread? You obviously don't need width to do well

[CHA!NGANG]

Liverpool are better than Wolves.
Liverpool have no width but Wolves do, what's the point of this thread? You obviously don't need width to do well

So you think Liverpool are doing well then for a club of there stature? Again, think before you post. Wolves have width yes, but they also don't have world class players, they don't even have top class players. They also aren't expected to finish high, they're expected so survive.

How about comparing Liverpool to similar stature teams.

United - Valencia and Nani
Arsenal - Arshavin, Walcott, Nasri
Chelsea - Malouda and Anelka in a way
Spurs - Lennon, Bale
City - Johnson, Silva
Liverpool, Maxi... that's it and he's not even great.

[mynameiswootzeh]

So you think Liverpool are doing well then for a club of there stature? Again, think before you post. Wolves have width yes, but they also don't have world class players, they don't even have top class players. They also aren't expected to finish high, they're expected so survive.
They're surviving, and pushing for a place in Europe thats enough for them this season, without any width.

[CHA!NGANG]

They're surviving, and pushing for a place in Europe thats enough for them this season, without any width.

Pushing for a place in the Europa League? If Liverpool fans are content with that then they have low standards.

[mynameiswootzeh]

Pushing for a place in the Europa League? If Liverpool fans are content with that then they have low standards.
they HAVE to have low standards after the first half of the season they had, they cant expect to just go straight back into the top 4. Next season sure they can expect all they want.

[CHA!NGANG]

they HAVE to have low standards after the first half of the season they had, they cant expect to just go straight back into the top 4. Next season sure they can expect all they want.

Yes, and how do you intend on them getting back into the top 4? By buying players? By buying a winger?

The point of the thread is to point out the first that Liverpool have hardly any width. Yes they have low standards this season, but clearly them spending big on 2 strikers shows that they intend of trying to get back to the top, but without players to create chances for these strikers, it's pointless having them which is the point of the thread.

[mynameiswootzeh]

Yes, and how do you intend on them getting back into the top 4? By buying players? By buying a winger?

The point of the thread is to point out the first that Liverpool have hardly any width. Yes they have low standards this season, but clearly them spending big on 2 strikers shows that they intend of trying to get back to the top, but without players to create chances for these strikers, it's pointless having them which is the point of the thread.
Why do they NEED width? They're doing sufficiently well, winning 3 on the trot without it. Tell me why they NEED width please, all-knowing arsenal fan :rolleyes: (Is there such a thing? lol no)

[Conservative,]

No team NEEDS width. I'm pretty sure there are tactics such as "counter-attack" and "through balls" which work perfectly well. Yes - going down the line is a good option, but going down the middle, if your players have the skill, is equally good - and Liverpool have that. We don't NEED wingers. We NEED some defenders tbh. Carragher & Kyragiakos (or however you spell his name) will retire soon and we already need a left back as you said.

[StefanWolves]

It's February. We're only 3 points away from 17th.

Wow..
Don't forget the game in hand LOL.

People on this forum are delusional. Kuyt, a wing man, haha yea guys carry on living n cloud nine, ******* clowns.

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No team NEEDS width. I'm pretty sure there are tactics such as "counter-attack" and "through balls" which work perfectly well. Yes - going down the line is a good option, but going down the middle, if your players have the skill, is equally good - and Liverpool have that. We don't NEED wingers. We NEED some defenders tbh. Carragher & Kyragiakos (or however you spell his name) will retire soon and we already need a left back as you said.
Omg you just don't get it ANDY CARROLL NEEDS BALLS IN THE BOX. You have no width apart from a full back who can't defend. Its funny actually, watching Soccer Saturday and the 'experts' are saying the exact same that I am. Seems that you and your ******* are in the minority. Glory hunting *******.

[Conservative,]

Don't forget the game in hand LOL.

People on this forum are delusional. Kuyt, a wing man, haha yea guys carry on living n cloud nine, ******* clowns.

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Omg you just don't get it ANDY CARROLL NEEDS BALLS IN THE BOX. You have no width apart from a full back who can't defend. Its funny actually, watching Soccer Saturday and the 'experts' are saying the exact same that I am. Seems that you and your ******* are in the minority. Glory hunting *******.

You're 3 points off 17th but Birmingham have a game in hand over you.

Anyone can put balls in the box, you don't NEED a winger to do it? :S

[Spuds]

I can't be bothered reading the thread but are people slating Kuyt? He'll be the main man when Carroll is fit, I'd be more scared of him than anyone else. He's better than Nolan and look at the partnership him and Carroll formed. Knock down and tap it in.

[StefanWolves]

You're 3 points off 17th but Birmingham have a game in hand over you.

Anyone can put balls in the box, you don't NEED a winger to do it? :S
Do you really believe Mereiles, Kuyt, Gerrard etc are going to RUN PAST defenders and get a perfect ball in the box? That's not what they specialise in. It's like putting a centre back at left back, it's make shift and just about does a job but is highly risky.

[CHA!NGANG]

Why do they NEED width? They're doing sufficiently well, winning 3 on the trot without it. Tell me why they NEED width please, all-knowing arsenal fan :rolleyes: (Is there such a thing? lol no)


No team NEEDS width. I'm pretty sure there are tactics such as "counter-attack" and "through balls" which work perfectly well. Yes - going down the line is a good option, but going down the middle, if your players have the skill, is equally good - and Liverpool have that. We don't NEED wingers. We NEED some defenders tbh. Carragher & Kyragiakos (or however you spell his name) will retire soon and we already need a left back as you said.

Name one 1 world class side (which is what Liverpool should be aspiring to be), that has no width and nobody on the wings who can run past players.

A world class side needs width, end of. Yes mid table teams can cope without it. There's no point spending millions on Carroll when he's not worth it, and not having anyone to provide for him.

[JackBuddy]

Not having wingers isn't exactly a concern for some teams. Chelsea and Inter get most of their width from overlapping attacking full backs (Maicon, Cole, Bosingwa etc). Chelsea do play people wide, but I wouldn't put Malouda/ Kalou in the same bracket as a Walcott, Johnson, Bale, Lennon, Coleman who I'd decsribe as strict 'wide men'.

Johnson/ Kelly/ Aurelio provide Liverpool with their width. It's not great but it's still width.

[CHA!NGANG]

Not having wingers isn't exactly a concern for some teams. Chelsea and Inter get most of their width from overlapping attacking full backs (Maicon, Cole, Bosingwa etc). Chelsea do play people wide, but I wouldn't put Malouda/ Kalou in the same bracket as a Walcott, Johnson, Bale, Lennon, Coleman who I'd decsribe as strict 'wide men'.

Johnson/ Kelly/ Aurelio provide Liverpool with their width. It's not great but it's still width.

Yea width would include having very attacking full backs I suppose, but by width I mean players who can go past players and create something on the wings, which Malouda can very much do. Eto'o can do it for Inter, with Maicon e/t/c. Kuyt can't go past anyone, neither can Jovanovic, Maxi can't really, J. Cole in this form can't either.

[JackBuddy]

Even so, you don't have to get beyond the defenders, all that matters is that a quality ball is delivered in.

In terms of wingers, the only difference between Liverpool now and the 08/09 season when they finished 2nd is that they had Riera then and they have Maxi now.

A Young still hasn't signed his contract so I reckon 'Pool are probably biding their time to get him on the cheap in the summer. I can't really see him going anywhere else.

[StefanWolves]

When, not if, Liverpool get Young, they will be top class. Downing would also be very good at Liverpool.
Even so, you don't have to get beyond the defenders, all that matters is that a quality ball is delivered in.

In terms of wingers, the only difference between Liverpool now and the 08/09 season when they finished 2nd is that they had Riera then and they have Maxi now.

A Young still hasn't signed his contract so I reckon 'Pool are probably biding their time to get him on the cheap in the summer. I can't really see him going anywhere else.

[mynameiswootzeh]

fgs liverpool you have no width, you're doing crap

[Spuds]

Yeah but the goal didn't come from a cross... oh.

[Conservative,]

When, not if, Liverpool get Young, they will be top class. Downing would also be very good at Liverpool.

And Bale.

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When, not if, Liverpool get Young, they will be top class. Downing would also be very good at Liverpool.

And Bale.

[mynameiswootzeh]

liverpool will not sign Bale hahahaha

[Conservative,]

Meireles took advantage of a mix-up between Chelsea keeper Petr Cech and Branislav Ivanovic to score his fourth goal in five games when he turned in Steven Gerrard's cross at the far post.

It was a cross we scored from today...

[mynameiswootzeh]

Gerrard isn't exactly a winger though is he

[Conservative,]

Gerrard isn't exactly a winger though is he

Doesn't stop him putting in crosses? He also put a cross in for Maxi who should've put it away.

[StefanWolves]

The 'cross' that you're on about was crap, it was only cause Cech misjudged it that you scored.

[.Shaun,,]

Either way it was a cross, the keeper mucked up, balls in the back of the net, all that matters.

As I said earlier in the thread Johnson & Kelly wingers, who's laughing now. Point was proved yesterday with how Daglish played the team.

[StefanWolves]

Either way it was a cross, the keeper mucked up, balls in the back of the net, all that matters.

As I said earlier in the thread Johnson & Kelly wingers, who's laughing now. Point was proved yesterday with how Daglish played the team.
Kelly and Johnson are defenders tho. Even playing 3 at the back they're still not technically wingers. Just attacking defenders (if you get me)

[.Shaun,,]

Yeah but either way they can play in the role, even if there not down on paper to. :)

[JackBuddy]

Stefan they were wingbacks. Milan, Inter, Chelsea etc get support and width from attacking full backs. Chelsea will revert that way if they intend on playing the 4312 formation again like Italian teams.

[StefanWolves]

Stefan they were wingbacks. Milan, Inter, Chelsea etc get support and width from attacking full backs. Chelsea will revert that way if they intend on playing the 4312 formation again like Italian teams.Yes but still their main priority is defence not attack. Also your wrong with the 4312, unless they play two CDMs.

[JackBuddy]

Yes but still their main priority is defence not attack. Also your wrong with the 4312, unless they play two CDMs.
Mikel was the anchor and Essien stayed back more than Lampard did.