Compulsory Education?

[Mathew]

Hi,
Okay so the current Year 9's will apparently have to continue their compulsory education until they're 18 (up until Year 13).

I'm a tad confused - will GCSE's still happen in Year 11?.. and will people then go on to do A-Levels in Year 12 and 13?

If that's the case, doesn't it totally defeat the object of GCSE's and it means everyone and their cousins will have A-Levels?.. hence making them worthless :S

Thanks xo

[chantellehugs]

It depends on what grade you get in your A Levels though, just because someone has to be in education doesn't mean they're going to work hard. And I think it means you can go to colleges as well, so not everyone will be getting A Levels, some might get diplomas or the other qualifications.

[Conservative,]

No, current year 9s are being forced to year 12. Current year 8s are being forced to year 13.

And yes it DOES make them worthless and pointless, but the Labour Government who introduced this doesn't understand anything about qualifications (considering it thinks everyone should get a degree...lol).

It's stupid. Some people don't WANT to carry on at school. Some people NEED to get a job to support their family. It's unfair and not necessary.

I'm so glad it's not my year though. My year will be the last year where AS's are actually worth something, because everyone will have them. Although as Chantelle has said, not everyone will get decent grades, it still makes them worth a lot less.

Stupid idea imo.

[Blue]

It was all a ploy to make unemployment figures look lower!!
But yeah, it's a stupid idea. People who actually want to learn, will probably just get distracted, by those who are forced there. Though there are BTEC's and other qualifications, they should only be undertaken if someone actually wants the experience.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Could large-scale comprehensives be made much worse than they already are? yet again they've [the political class] proved that yes, they can. The sheer amount of pupils attending large comprehensives is overwhelming as it is, these schools (mine included) are just too big to have any degree of control over. A number that stands at 1,200 now will now increase to around 1,500+ which is ridiculous.

How can teachers cope with that amount of work, how can already vast comprehensives accomodate that number?

[AgnesIO]

The whole stay until your 18 thing doesn't really bother me. I will be going to university before all the kids who have to stay to do A Levels even start the new compulsory bit.

All it means, is if you want the extra step you need to hand the government more money.. and get a degree.

[Deak]

I heard that some people depending on the choices they pick will be given the option of college for them extra couple of years rather than doing y12 and y13 within school...

That could be totally wrong or have changed but im 90% sure thats what i heard not so long ago

[Hayleigh]

It's my year yeah we have to continue to 6th form but also from our year onwards we HAVE to take a language GCSE, but I don't personally mind.

[AgnesIO]

It's my year yeah we have to continue to 6th form but also from our year onwards we HAVE to take a language GCSE, but I don't personally mind.

My school has done that for at least 10 years. With the option to replace technology with a second language (german/french), and another option to use oe of your other options (pe/business/music etc etc) with a third (Spanish).

But you have to take at least one.

[Conservative,]

My school has done that for at least 10 years. With the option to replace technology with a second language (german/french), and another option to use oe of your other options (pe/business/music etc etc) with a third (Spanish).

But you have to take at least one.

Lots of schools do that now, so more people get English Bacc's. But my school only forces us to take I.T because it's a computing school, and then the obvious essentials (Science, English, Maths). :)

[AgnesIO]

Lots of schools do that now, so more people get English Bacc's. But my school only forces us to take I.T because it's a computing school, and then the obvious essentials (Science, English, Maths). :)

Always found IT a complete waste of a subject lol

[Conservative,]

Always found IT a complete waste of a subject lol

Same, I just end up on youtube for 40 minutes because I can do the work with my eyes closed.

[Chippiewill]

I think it's a good move, I do not believe that even going onto sixth form would involve A levels every time, I've heard plans of people being taught more general life skills that people tend to learn at university in a slightly more controlled environment than straight out working.

[Inseriousity.]

I'm sure the plans for increasing the compulsory age does not necessarily mean A Levels. They do need to be in some form of education, employment or training. ie. they're not allowed to be in the NEET (Not in education, employment or training) group, which is highly likely to be a way of decreasing unemployment figures. This does mean, however, that the old 'tripartite system' is likely to return at the age of 16. Whether that's a good thing or not is a matter of personal opinion, I'm not a big fan of the idea really.

[Conservative,]

I'm sure the plans for increasing the compulsory age does not necessarily mean A Levels. They do need to be in some form of education, employment or training. ie. they're not allowed to be in the NEET (Not in education, employment or training) group, which is highly likely to be a way of decreasing unemployment figures. This does mean, however, that the old 'tripartite system' is likely to return at the age of 16. Whether that's a good thing or not is a matter of personal opinion, I'm not a big fan of the idea really.

What's tripartite system?

[Chippiewill]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_System

The Tripartite System was the arrangement of state funded secondary education between 1944 and the 1970s in England and Wales, and from 1947 to 2009 in Northern Ireland. It was an administrative implementation of the Education Act 1944[1] and the Education Act (Northern Ireland) 1947.
State funded secondary education was arranged into a structure containing three types of school, namely: grammar school, secondary technical school and secondary modern school. Pupils were allocated to their respective types of school according to their performance in the Eleven Plus examination. It was the prevalent system under the Conservative governments of the 1951 to 1964 period, but was actively discouraged by the Labour government after 1965. It was formally abolished in England and Wales in 1976,[citation needed] giving way to the Comprehensive System. However, elements of similar systems persist in several English counties such as Kent which maintains the grammar school system alongside comprehensive schools. The system's merits and demerits, in particular the need and selection for grammar schools, proved to be a contentious issue at the time and still remain so.

And I thought you were clever enough to use google...

[Conservative,]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tripartite_System


And I thought you were clever enough to use google...

Thanks. Im too tired and/or lazy to google at this time.

If that was brought back in I would've been at grammar school :(. I don't like that idea tbh.

[Inseriousity.]

What's tripartite system?

The idea that there are three different types of intelligence (academic, technical, vocational) and that schools should be designed to fit the needs of each one, this brought the tripartite system. Sounds fair enough if you believe in the general principle (which I don't) but in practice, was very class biased.

[Conservative,]

The idea that there are three different types of intelligence (academic, technical, vocational) and that schools should be designed to fit the needs of each one. Sounds fair enough if you believe in the general principle (which I don't) but in practice, was very class biased.

I agree with the principle but I don't like how it's run. I think people, as they do now, should have the choice to choose their education. I got offered a place at a private school, a grammar school, and a state school. I chose the state school because it suited me best.

However I agree that there are different types of intelligence - to say there are not is ridiculous. Not everyone is an academical genius, and not everyone is an artistic prodigy. Each to his own as they say.

[Inseriousity.]

Different types of intelligence maybe... but definitely not just 3

[Conservative,]

Different types of intelligence maybe... but definitely not just 3

There's more than 3 yes. I think someone posted a thread a few months ago that said scientists had narrowed intelligence down to 7 types or something?

Ah...here it is: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=685230

(9 types of intelligence, my bad).

[Inseriousity.]

You can't define intelligence. It's an abstract concept. That's the problem.

[Mathew]

Always found IT a complete waste of a subject lol
Shut up I did additional ICT so ended up getting 4 GCSEs in it lols. Pretty much worthless but looks good :P


This does mean, however, that the old 'tripartite system' is likely to return at the age of 16.
Bashin' out some Sociology keywords there. We were doing that just a couple of weeks ago :P:P


Ah...here it is: http://www.habboxforum.com/showthread.php?t=685230

(9 types of intelligence, my bad).
Looks like rubbish to me. You can't put the human mind into categories lol

Thanks for the info guys. I do think it's quite a daft idea - there's nothing wrong with the current system at all. Imo, Education serves to bring up the next generation of workers and (while it is highly unfair in terms of the class system, e.g, higher classes having an advantage), it does sort people according to their ability at the end of the day (meritocracy!!) I think the system right now is the best it's been; as Robbie said, some people need to leave school at 16 in order to work. I do feel you're still rather "immature" (for lack of a better word) at 16, but it really is the best for some people who dislike school, or attempt to disrupt it's system. Keeping people until they're 18 is a large portion of their life, in education... when in actual fact, very few people actually carry on to HE.

Interesting stuff.

[Ajthedragon]

I for one don't want a degree. Labour had this crazy idea there would be all these high paying job for British workers, and that they could import people to do all the crap jobs from eastern Europe.

I know plenty of people too thick to do A-levels, it's such a waste. Let them do apprenticeships or work for peanuts, someone has to do it and we just complain if they're not British.

[Jessicrawrr]

doesn't that mean you have to go to college??
Most do that anyway don't they??
if it doesn't mean forced to go to college then im stupid :P

[Conservative,]

doesn't that mean you have to go to college??
Most do that anyway don't they??
if it doesn't mean forced to go to college then im stupid :P

College or Sixth form.

And no, I'm not sure the exact figures but quite a lot of people leave education completely at 16 and get a job or apprenticeship. At a guess I'd say between 60-70% go on to college/sixth form.

[-:Undertaker:-]

The debate on the education system between Chippiewall/Inseriousity - the grammar schools system (based on intelligence) of which we abolished was the best system for social mobility which allowed the children of the poorest (the lower classes) to attend good schools. The comprehensive system which we have now is based on class where the wealthy either buy their way into the catchment area of a good school or simply go private.. meanwhile the children of the poorest are forced to attend terrible schools.

The whole concept of education is based on intelligence, schools are there for education - not equality. Infact its telling that, when the Berlin wall came down one of the first things the parents of East Germany did was bring back the grammar school system and scrap the comprehensive system which had been imposed by the socialists.