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I was literally just about to post this
Unfortunately she can't actually call an election from what I can tell so...
If one does happen, please no Conservative domination!
This should've happened before Article 50 tbh. Its good though since it essentially lines us up with the French and German elections.
It's a good plan, she's ahead in public opinion by a long way and there's no real opposition that anyone could seriously get behind - Corbyn is an absolute joke and Farron is... well, Farron. Lib Dems might be enjoying a bit of a surge due to how shit Labour are atm but he surely can't expect to actually do well here. I'm not May's biggest fan in the world but there's no-one else to do the job (since the entire platform for the others is "LET'S NOT DO BREXIT LOL") and this is a sound tactical move to boost her majority
I will be voting Lib Dem! They have nothing to lose
Well you're not wrong there
Makes sense (vs. Corbyn) and allows for yet more "well you asked for it" type comments when we slip further into chaos throughout the next two years.
But either way, nobody wins.
I am voting Conservative & Unionist for the first time and my family also intends to return to the fold. In doing so, being working class voters, we'll hand the Tories a majority not seen since 1983 when Margaret Thatcher rode home on a thumping victory after the Falklands. We'll consign the European Union, Labour and the Cameroons in the Tory Party to the history books.
I look forward to Labour+Corbyn selling nuclear disarmament, the handing over the Falklands and tax rises to middle England on the doorsteps. On June 9th no doubt it'll all be the fault of Murdoch, the right-wing media and old people. ;)
I think Lib Dems are going to see a big increase in votes but not seats (maybe they'll get half the amount they had before last election)
It will be a landslide for the Conservatives
Wish I went to London today instead of yesterday
Here's how the demographic which turns out (65 and over) intends to vote and what it thinks of the PM.
I think the opposite. Little surge nationally in the polls to them but ultra Remain areas like Twickenham they can re-gain.The over-65s are the highest turnout group in Britain
— Matt Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) April 17, 2017
And this is what they think
Source: YouGov Apr 12-13 pic.twitter.com/QwP6UbN0ew
Same here. I was in Westminster only a few days ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemons
Does it not bother you that 20 or so Conservative MPs are under investigation for election fraud @-:Undertaker:-;?
Will be voting Lib Dem to continue my streak of 'Every election/referendum I vote in I lose'
Sure, I knew about these allegations long ago when Ukip staff in Thanet were saying the Tories were bussing in activists (which costs a lot) in a frantic campaign to stop him from being elected. It worked. Hopefully he re-stands and is elected to the Commons.
But i'm not voting on campaign spending limits, i'm voting on #1 Brexit (Out of SM and Customs Union), #2 Immigration (Brexit) & #3 Grammars. Thus far the indications are that the Tories will seek to do all three. If not, then I will have my revenge come 2022.
Interesting, not surprised, probably the best time (tactically) to do such a thing.
I shall be voting with the manifesto most aligned with my viewpoints, so most likely Lib Dems again but who knows really.
Theresa may has said she will not be doing TV debates
If this #GeneralElection is about leadership, as Theresa May said this morning, she should not be dodging head-to-head TV debates.
— Jeremy Corbyn (@jeremycorbyn) April 18, 2017
Wtf TV debates are exciting why won't the boring cow do it. I mean she's gonna be against Corbyn.... have you seen him at PMQs he's terrible against her.
Love u Theresa.
If that's the streak you want to keep up then voting Lib Dem is cheating surely :P
I made a great election image this morning that I posted on the old facey b
https://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...64&oe=59869171
Everyone loves a half and half scarf
The House of Commons has passed the motion. Britain goes to the polls in five weeks.
Anecdotal but also noticed by journalists, there looks to be a lot of first time Tory voters in a few weeks time. Virtually all of my friends are likely to vote for the Conservatives for the first ever time including one who voted Remain, family have returned, I am voting for them for the first time.MPs approve motion for an early general election by 522 to 13. The two-thirds of all MPs required for this motion to pass has been reached. pic.twitter.com/kVEdHXkP2R
— UK House of Commons (@HouseofCommons) April 19, 2017
Interesting on NewsNight also in Labour areas of people who have voted Labour all their lives now turning to Conservatives. The big shift seems to be Ukip voters, even if only 50% of them switch then that there is an extra two million votes especially in northern/coastal seats. It all seems to be about Brexit and cementing the Leave vote.
Latest polling -
Westminster voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) April 18, 2017
CON: 46% (+2)
LAB: 25% (-1)
LDEM: 11% (+1)
UKIP: 8% (-3)
GRN: 4 (-)
(via ICM / 18 Apr, post-1100hrs)The Prime Minister is (X) to call an early general election:
— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) April 18, 2017
Right: 49%
Wrong: 17%
(via YouGov / 18 Apr)
The plural of no always look so strange
I'm undecided whether to use my vote at uni or at home...
At uni labour currently have a majority of just 650 and seeing as a lot of students will have gone home by then I suspect they will lose a lot of labour votes :o and it's a leave area
Conservatives will win at home but it was a remain area like most of London
New YouGov out just now.
48% and they haven't even started on Corbyn yet. Pollsters tend to underestimate the Tory vote too. Remarkable.
Wouldn't it be funny if they got 52%... :P
EXC: Tonight Tories on 48% in the first YouGov poll taken since Theresa May called election - highest since May 2008 pic.twitter.com/awaKs7V0Yv
— Sam Coates Sky (@SamCoatesSky) April 19, 2017
Already the usual ones on Facebook are sharing pro-Corbyn posts... same echo chamber is developing on social media just like the referendum where they're all telling each other how great he is, nobody else will say anything for fear of being branded a racist/Tory and then when election day comes they're all shocked that they lost. They're about to find out a second time just how conservative Britain, but especially England, really is in outlook and attitudes.
One guy commented on a pro-Corbyn share on my Facebook "I just don't understand how people don't see how brill his policies are" and it's like ummm well maybe you should talk to a wider range of people in your life other than just hard-left students.
https://media.giphy.com/media/48UoqdKrAjhXG/giphy.gifWestminster voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) April 22, 2017
CON: 50% (+4)
LAB: 25% (-)
LDEM: 11% (-)
UKIP: 7% (-2)
(via ComRes)
@lemons; Wow.
One poll of course but 50% is absolutely incredible. The last time a party scored over 50% of the national vote was in 1931 when the Conservatives under Stanley Baldwin who captured 55% of the national vote. Literally it has been said for years now that neither party would likely break 40% again let alone 50%. Yet here we are. Virtually the entire electoral map is going to turn blue.
It just goes to show what a sea change Brexit has had - Ukip forcing the Tories to hold a referendum and the subsequent Leave vote could ironically be the best thing to happen to the Conservative and Unionist Party in terms of reviving it in Wales, northern England and Scotland. Opinium Polling is saying about 30% of the Ukip vote so far has transferred to the Tories - that figure is likely to grow as the election draws nearer if you ask me.
Interesting theory going around is that Ukip voters who were former Labour have been 'converted' by voting Ukip and are now considering Tory whereas they never would have gone Labour to Tory. It's being described as a 'Gateway drug' theory. Interesting and makes sense really. Labour are in serious trouble: we saw in Scotland what happens when Labour voters stop being blindly loyal.
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At least on the plus side they will have a legitimate majority to form government under these numbers. I do doubt it will stick at 50% though.
Latest YouGov just come out too -
Including numbers which show a Tory revival in Scotland and SNP only 11% ahead.Westminster voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) April 22, 2017
CON: 48% (-)
LAB: 25% (+1)
LDEM: 12% (-)
UKIP: 5% (-2)
(via YouGov)
Opinium National Poll in Scotland SNP 43% CON 32% LAB 14% LDEM 8%
— Lord Ashcroft (@LordAshcroft) April 22, 2017Sunday Times Scotland/Panelbase poll
— Tim Shipman (@ShippersUnbound) April 22, 2017
John Curtice analysis of our poll shows Tories on course for 12 seats in Scotland.
Labour wiped out
Not that I want to undermine what the people want or anything but surely Westminster voting isn't by any means the be all and end all of vote partisanship and althought I don't doubt at all that Cons are gonna get an enormous majority it's daft to claim victory after a minor poll in just one region
RIP Labour though lol gonna be decades before anyone poses a real opposition now
Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party
A Welsh poll out now as equally historic and stunning.
Welsh Westminster voting intention:
— Britain Elects (@BritainElects) April 24, 2017
CON: 40% (+12)
LAB: 30% (-3)
PC: 13% (-)
LDEM: 8% (-1)
UKIP: 6% (-7)
(via YouGov)
Chgs. w/ JanWales, the principality of coal mining and trade unions. Tory.This is earthquake territory. First time Tories ahead in Wales since 1922. More on this on @LBC at 6.30pm with Professor @roger_scully https://t.co/kLaIXwPahD
— Iain Dale (@IainDale) April 24, 2017
Brexit (Wales voted Leave) is resulting is a seismic shift in politics. These aren't normal poll movements.
Here's two maps (2015 results vs projected results) of what Britain could look like electorally if these polls turn out true.
*Doesn't include Northern Irish seats*
2015 results
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2017 projections
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Things can still get worse for Labour too as they did in 1983 when the party nearly collapsed...
Useful reminder from David Cowling on what happened to Labour under Michael Foot during the 1983 campaign - things got worse - deja vu pic.twitter.com/8lcojZC2c0
— Ben Page (@benatipsos) April 24, 2017Keep thinking Tories can't hold this poll lead & then remembering attack campaign hasn't actually started yet & actually it could rise
— gabyhinsliff (@gabyhinsliff) April 24, 2017
Hopefully the Conservative Party is resembling the life cycle of a star - expansion and then implosion.
http://www.isbuc.co.uk/expenses/index.php
don't you just love democracy in action
Whilst aware of the allegations of campaign overspending by the Conservatives which should be investigated, that website you linked to sounds very much like a bitter Remainer/covert campaign still trying to make out the government was illegitimate thus the referendum was illegitimate which is why I suspect you are so concerned about this issue above all others.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
What makes me think that? Various unprompted, seemingly unrelated references to Ukip, the EU and the referendum.
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Originally Posted by Website
Actually it's more the fact she's calling a referendum so she doesn't lose a majority, and nothing else. If these people re-win their seats then it seems like they'd be able to keep them, since they (presumably) didn't commit fraud to win the seat this time: https://news.channel4.com/livepages/...e-Decision.pdf (point #10). It's not irrelevant either since you can attribute the overspending to making sure UKIP doesn't win the seat. Regardless if the creator is a "bitter remainer", it doesn't make the actual expenses part untrue. You seem to basically be fobbing it off because of this since it suits your gains.
But what makes you think I take this issue as big as any other? I just happened to come across the site and posted it on here.
Like this site which predicts school funding cuts from a Conservative government (damn kids should learn on their own!): http://schoolcuts.org.uk/#/
This one about UKIP which I think speaks for itself: http://news.sky.com/story/ukip-schoo...-year-10849237
One about Tim Farron on his religion and him being a bit weird with it but overall seems like he would keep it out of politics, relatively speaking.
One about George Osborne completely failing on his deficit targets. Long term economic plan.
Literally just came across this general analysis of the Conservatives https://libegalfrat.wordpress.com/20...ure-2010-2017/ (haven't check it thoroughly but it seems well cited)
This lovely one about wage growth http://www.independent.co.uk/news/bu...-a7157681.html
This lovely (but slightly dated) article about working hours (which was in a post about the Corbyn bank holiday blah) https://www.theguardian.com/news/dat...-working-hours
And there's this Reddit post with lots of shit https://www.reddit.com/r/unitedkingd...he_damage_the/
tl;dr I surprisingly pay attention to more than one issue.
I'm not fobbing the issue off at all, merely trying to see what your motives are. But just to state, the EU Referendum Act would have passed with a smaller majority anyway with the DUP, Ukip and rebel Labour MPs. Regardless of whether it would have passed or not, it's taken place now and was given the largest democratic mandate in British history. It's done.
Like I said, voting on Brexit/Immigration and Grammar schools.
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On more general note, Corbyn supporters on my Facebook keep sharing this.... not sure how accurate it is but if true it just makes me like Theresa May more. Only ones I disagree with her there on are VAT increase and the Iraq war/investigations. :P
I don't give a flying fuck about the EU referendum at this point. These people (potentially) got themselves into parliament fraudulently and people such as yourself give absolutely no regard for this or the fact this early election, which was repeatedly stated that it wouldn't happen, is probably only a thing so they don't lose said majority.
And we had this same bloody conversation about the mandate 3 months ago today where you tried to spin away from the topic: https://www.habboxforum.com/showthre...te#post8500935
It does not have the biggest mandate in history. The original EEC referendum in 1975 had far greater total public support for the result. Do not spin this again into me saying it's still legitimate now. All I am saying is your claim that the result in the 2016 referendum is a joke to say the least.
Also what's the point in voting for grammar schools when funding is going down the can anyway, and similarly for immigration when David Davis suggests immigration won't go down https://www.theguardian.com/politics...r-brexit-video
We're a nation which depends on most migrants, yes even the peasant ones so gl.
I do care about it, as I have said over and over they should be investigated and criminal charges brought if need be. I was aware of reports of overspending before the 2015 General Election concluded, especially in Thanet. But did I moan? No, because at the end of the day we lost and our vote was squeezed. Other parties managed to win seats, we did not. I could easily blame the Conservatives but at the end of the day the national squeeze combined with inferior campaigning lost us it. Hey ho.
Yes it does. More people voted for Leave than for anything else ever in the history of this Kingdom.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
One is relevant today and the other is not just as the Liberal Party results under Gladstone in the 1880s aren't relevant now.Quote:
17.4m voted to Leave the EU in 2016.
17.3m voted to stay in the EEC in 1975.
No the nation doesn't depend on immigration, that's a lazy and unproven assertion. Greedy big corporations depend on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
Oh, and Labour. For the votes of third worlders as the British working classes abandon them in droves.
But the seat was lost by illegitimate means. I mean, I could talk about lies and all that during elections and so forth but it's difficult to make lying during elections illegal, but limiting money spent is easy and does make a difference to the result. The fact you just accepted this is ridiculous.
Lol @ using raw numbers. I'm honestly just gobsmacked you did that.Quote:
Yes it does. More people voted for Leave than for anything else ever in the history of this Kingdom.
One is relevant today and the other is not just as the Liberal Party results under Gladstone in the 1880s aren't relevant now.
You cannot use raw numbers when you're comparing now to 40 bloody years ago when we've had an increasing population since. Do you not realise how ridiculous that is??
When I say nation I really just meant government and GDP (Osborne was a big fan of using GDP as a way to say "we're doing well guys" from what I recall).Quote:
No the nation doesn't depend on immigration, that's a lazy and unproven assertion. Greedy big corporations depend on it.
Probably trueQuote:
Oh, and Labour. For the votes of third worlders as the British working classes abandon them in droves.
I don't believe we lost because of overspending by the Conservatives. Fact is, there was a swing to the Conservatives on the day and even Ukip-inclined voters were telling Farage to his face that they wanted to vote for him but just couldn't risk letting Labour into power held up by the SNP. We were squeezed and our campaigning was inferior, our fault.
It's like the referendum. The Government spent taxpayers money on that pro-EU leaflet before the purdah kicked into action, now had we lost yes it was a dirty trick (made worse that they were using Whitehall to do their bidding) but ultimately if you lose an election or campaign it is usually your own fault. Losers in elections will always be tempted to blame something for their loss, rather than themselves. I believe in learning from campaigning - that's how you get somewhere, ie Marine Le Pen who has transformed the fortunes of the Front National since she took over from her loudmouth father.
Not really, more people vote for it than anything else in our history. That's just a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgbtz
Answer this - are you still seeking to block the result of the referendum?
Unlike the disgraced Mr Osborne I believe there's more to a nation than GDP numbers and profit margins.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
Indeed, which is why Labour are collapsing. Jeremy Corbyn isn't the cause.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz