So what happens if you then lose the second referendum? And should we ban elections due to misinformation too?
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Great idea HMG is weighing up that will be possible immediately upon us exiting the Customs Union with No Deal.
I have long been in support of these free port/low taxation zones, and they should be focused on the areas of the Belfast dockyards, the River Mersey, the Humber, The Clyde and other areas across the country that need to be rebalanced and revived (as they have been in part already).
Britain in the post-EU era needs to re-orientate away from London and the south-east towards Liverpool, Glasgow, Belfast, Manchester, Leeds etc. Not with talk and gimmicks, but with real deregulation, low taxation and radical projects. Like Thatcherism did with Canary Wharf dockyards.
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then i keep disagreeing and fighting against it, i dont have to become docile just because a slim majority voted for it after years of lies and gaslighting
a good start for elections would be reform which i believe was "recommended" (i think it was more just a general statement) in an enquiry (cant remember which exactly it was)
fundamentally the information available and published has to be true otherwise how can you say any of this is democratic, and im not talking about predictions like "britain will be better out of the eu" where they could will be lying, but statements like one recently by bojo about kippers
we already had free ports as part of the eu which the government decided to not renew, why do we need to leave the eu to do this? the other areas that have been revived has primarily been down to eu investment rather than our own government - little the recent governments have done have inspired hope in outside london funding
can you explain what deregulation is going to help the north, how low taxation is going to help the north and what radical projects are going to help the north
thanks
So basically your position is that no matter how many times Britain votes to leave the EU, you'll never accept it as legitimate?
Free ports whilst abiding by EU regulatory and customs regime is a complete waste of time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
Sure, there's a few.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
- Abolish business rates (centrally) in deprived areas and replace initial revenue loss to councils from Whitehall.
- Provide tax breaks/grants for former commercial to residential conversions on high streets to revive the areas.
- Improve inter-connectivity between northern cities and towns with HS2 scrapped and the old Beeching railway lines re-opening.
- Encourage brownfield development in inner-cities with government funds/subsidies for land decontamination.
- Tilt business taxes to encouraging firms/companies to being located in city centres instead of on isolated business parks off motorways.
- Introduce free ports in places such as Liverpool, Hull, Belfast and Aberdeen to become import/export hubs.
- Mandate developers in city centres to begin building a certain % of family-sized apartments in new developments.
Interesting tonight with Dominic Cummings (brain behind Vote Leave and PM's Senior Advisor)....
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Buried in the Fixed Term Parliament Act (FTPA) is this...
That would seem to suggest that if the Government is VONC in September, and an alternative ministry cannot be formed which is very likely given many will never put Corbyn as PM and Corbyn will never put anyone else in as PM, then Boris as PM could simply recommend to the monarch that the date of the election take place after the end of October. And as by convention, the monarch always enacts the Prime Minister's advice.Quote:
"If a new Government cannot be formed within this time period, then dissolution is triggered. There is no provision for an extension of the 14 day period. Dissolution need not follow immediately on a triggering event, as section 2(7) allows for the Prime Minister to recommend a suitable polling day to the Crown ."
It does seem like Remainers like Sir Oliver Letwin and Dominic Grieve were right last month that the HoC has missed its last chance.
accepting something as legitimate is not the same as accepting the result
and fundamentally accepting the result doesnt mean you have to sit back and do nothing
how? whats the difference?Quote:
Free ports whilst abiding by EU regulatory and customs regime is a complete waste of time.
interesting suggestions coming from someone who supposedly wants a small state, slight shift from you?Quote:
Sure, there's a few.
- Abolish business rates (centrally) in deprived areas and replace initial revenue loss to councils from Whitehall.
- Provide tax breaks/grants for former commercial to residential conversions on high streets to revive the areas.
- Improve inter-connectivity between northern cities and towns with HS2 scrapped and the old Beeching railway lines re-opening.
- Encourage brownfield development in inner-cities with government funds/subsidies for land decontamination.
- Tilt business taxes to encouraging firms/companies to being located in city centres instead of on isolated business parks off motorways.
- Introduce free ports in places such as Liverpool, Hull, Belfast and Aberdeen to become import/export hubs.
- Mandate developers in city centres to begin building a certain % of family-sized apartments in new developments.
- where does this extra funding come from?
- dont necessarily disagree with this but all i see happening is the developers making more money and the residential still being too expensive
- dont necessarily disagree with this either but theres quite a lot of issues with rail already and this wont help with that, so would need to be balanced
- actually agree with this providing, however bit weird youre suggesting using government spending for this
- "tilting" means nothing
- ok
- sounds like state intervention there
fundamentally though we can do all of this already so why do we need to leave the eu to do it
You know, it really is quite sad how this issue has driven so many to madness. Democracy works on consent, that we debate and then the public decides as it did in 2015 when David Cameron's Conservatives won a majority despite all I had tried to do. But you know what? I didn't conjure up some conspiracy that people were misled and deep down didn't really want him as PM, I accepted it the minute the result came out.
Has it never occurred to you that the reason you lost isn't Russia, newspapers, misinformation - it's because people genuinely want to leave the EU? Generally around the world, people wish to be governed by institutions they feel attachment to. We have none to Europe.
Right now we're bound by EU law and customs.Quote:
Originally Posted by dgbtz
I don't claim leaving the EU will solve all of our problems. I do think we should take the opportunity of Brexit, something the May Ministry never understood which this Ministry appears to, to be radical with policy. After the 31st October, we will have total legislative control. Exciting.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
when did i mention russia? and there is clear, undeniable lies being told and this is not a conspiracy theory
democracy works on consent, sure, but it also relies on accurate information and if people are being told the eu is responsible for everything bad when its actually our own government, how do you expect them to make an informed decision? listening to some of the arguments people make for brexit and its just so illogical but theyre so entrenched at this point they cant see it - have you actually listened to reasons people voted for brexit?
then theres also the illegal harvesting of individuals data, and yes it was illegal and they knew it given they tried to hide it , watch the great hack if you havent already
what's that got to do with free ports thoughQuote:
Right now we're bound by EU law and customs.
completely irrelevant
but we could have done this the entire time, this isnt an opportunity of brexit this is an opportunity of the past 50 years that could have been taken up. youre trying to spin it as a positive of brexit but it could have been done without it, you do see that yes?Quote:
I don't claim leaving the EU will solve all of our problems. I do think we should take the opportunity of Brexit, something the May Ministry never understood which this Ministry appears to, to be radical with policy. After the 31st October, we will have total legislative control. Exciting.
like you speak of thatcherism helping london, but it was basically thatcherism which killed the north and a lot of people up there (as far as im aware) still resent her for that - this also highlights the point that it was basically our own government causing the decline of these areas to begin with
also i forgot to say this before but nothing you said was really regulation, so is there any particular regulation youre looking forward to binning?
So you're saying until people agree the EU is a good thing, every vote on it is illegitimate?
I stopped watching InfoWars style conspiracy theory videos like ten years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
Control our own tariffs/customs/regulations and we can make our ports competitive.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
Thatcherism didn't kill heavy industries, far-left Unions did.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
That's why Germany still has heavy industry and we do not.
Three areas of policy regulation I am looking forward to in particular to scrapping, yep.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
- The Common Fisheries Policy.
- The Common Agricultural Policy.
- Freedom of Movement.
fucking hell you dont half twist crap do you
whatQuote:
I stopped watching InfoWars style conspiracy theory videos like ten years ago.
most of the show is about parliamentary enquiries (and the us equivalent)
thats nothing to do with free portsQuote:
Control our own tariffs/customs/regulations and we can make our ports competitive.
do you even know what a free port is
well it was effectively her widespread privatisation push that put a lot of out of workQuote:
Thatcherism didn't kill heavy industries, far-left Unions did.
That's why Germany still has heavy industry and we do not.
are you also just ignoring the fact youre trying to spin a positive of brexit on something that we could have always done or..?
and back to before, how will these help the north exactly?Quote:
Three areas of policy regulation I am looking forward to in particular to scrapping, yep.
- The Common Fisheries Policy.
- The Common Agricultural Policy.
- Freedom of Movement.
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fucking hell you dont half twist crap do you
whatQuote:
I stopped watching InfoWars style conspiracy theory videos like ten years ago.
most of the show is about parliamentary enquiries (and the us equivalent)
thats nothing to do with free portsQuote:
Control our own tariffs/customs/regulations and we can make our ports competitive.
do you even know what a free port is
well it was effectively her widespread privatisation push that put a lot of out of workQuote:
Thatcherism didn't kill heavy industries, far-left Unions did.
That's why Germany still has heavy industry and we do not.
are you also just ignoring the fact youre trying to spin a positive of brexit on something that we could have always done or..?
and back to before, how will these help the north exactly?Quote:
Three areas of policy regulation I am looking forward to in particular to scrapping, yep.
- The Common Fisheries Policy.
- The Common Agricultural Policy.
- Freedom of Movement.