Spanish warship blaring anthem in BTW, total lack of respect for Britain pic.twitter.com/RsJuXIUvUy
— skydweller (@justfunnnserio) December 4, 2018Says it all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Guido
The Royal Navy should be sailing along the coast playing God Save the Queen. But sadly we're governed by weaklings and cowards.
Our lovely European 'friends' at it once again. Whether it's the Spanish, French, Germans, Icelanders - same old.
You're in Spain, why don't you go march up to the parliament and give them a thrashing. Be sure to bring your boombox with God Save the Queen up to eleven, and sip from your finest teacup whilst you spank them with your truncheon. #justice #fuckspain
Already argue, *jokingly*, with them in class whenever they mention Gibraltar. (We're quite close to the Rock too)Quote:
Originally Posted by Neversoft
I tell them we'll consider Gibraltar the day you guys consider handing Ceuta and Melilla to Morocco. Aka never. (:
I presume you will be leaving Spain immediately out of protest then
don't recall you seeing much anger towards Russia when they go over uk airspace or down the English channel
I'd certainly leave Spain if it came to a standoff or war, sure. My anger here isn't so much at the Spanish, as they're just acting how second-world Europeans typically act, my anger is at my own weak government for refusing to do anything. As well as people such as yourself who will side with the EU when it is siding against your own country in a territory dispute.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
And we do the same to Russia by encroaching in the East. Right now there are British troops near the Russian border. Why?
arguing with a straw manQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
as in Eastern Europe? Perhaps because of their recent aggression?Quote:
And we do the same to Russia by encroaching in the East. Right now there are British troops near the Russian border. Why?
having a small (and from what I read, it is pretty bloody small) presence in a neighbour country isn't quite the same as illegally entering territory
really just sounds like you're defending Russia for doing worse than what Spain did
This goes right back to the collapse of the Soviet Union, as we've discussed before. Russia was given assurances at the time that NATO/the EU would not expand into what is essentially Russia's doorstep. They did exactly that which Russia takes as a threat to it's security. How would we react if Russia placed troops in southern Ireland? Why Britain is embroiling itself in a pissing battle between Germany (the EU) and Russia in Eastern Europe is beyond me. Maybe you would like to explain why British troops should be based on Russia's borders?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn-ck5pjUbo
I find no source for your claim about the expansionism and there are (from what I've read) just over 100 British troops on training exercises, but if you somehow think it's OK for Russia to enter our territory (and let's not forget murdering a UK citizen) then you're more than welcome to feel that way
You don't need a source, just look at a map of NATO and EU expansion towards Russia's post-USSR border since 1991.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
What purpose does putting British troops on the Russian border serve other than sabre-rattling?Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
Maybe that Russian warship was just on "training exercises" in the English Channel? (rolleyes)
Russia has become the new bogeyman for a failing western political elite when the fact is that Russia is a much diminished country.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbgtz
I am no particular fan of the Russian government, although certainly more than I am of the German/EU government - at least Mr Putin doesn't invite Jihadists into his country. He's building Orthodox cathedrals while our political class are building mosques, in a nutshell.
you said there was some kind of agreement NATO & the EU wouldn't take in member states bordering RussiaQuote:
Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:-
you've literally just compared UK troops legally being in a sovereign nation to Russia entering UK territory without permissionQuote:
What purpose does putting British troops on the Russian border serve other than sabre-rattling?
Maybe that Russian warship was just on "training exercises" in the English Channel? (rolleyes)
how are they a bogeyman when they're actually doing the things they're being accused ofQuote:
Russia has become the new bogeyman for a failing western political elite when the fact is that Russia is a much diminished country.
I am no particular fan of the Russian government, although certainly more than I am of the German/EU government - at least Mr Putin doesn't invite Jihadists into his country. He's building Orthodox cathedrals while our political class are building mosques, in a nutshell.
if anything governments in this country & certain other individuals been using the EU as a bogeyman...
you'll probably come in and say they made us take in refugees and let a billion romanians come over and sit around doing nothing when actually the government always had the power to stop that