Managed No-Deal preparations stepped up: Chancellor to release £2bn for Govt Dept's

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Are you claiming it is impossible to expand our existing customs regime to the EU27? yes/no

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I said later on that it isn't, it's just you seem to think it's a simple process when there's probably a lot more to it than you think

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If the system is poorly designed and not capable, then yes there could be delays. But every other country around the world has a customs regime as a perfectly normal thing with it's neighbours, and somehow they aren't all in recession. It will make zero difference in the longer term, especially as increasing trade volumes (imports) to Britain are coming from outside of the EU anyway and thus outside of the EU Customs Union.

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They're not in recession because they're not about to dump every trade deal they have, what a dumb thing to say.
It's also a perfectly normal thing to seek trade arrangements rather than shit on all of them and our neighbours.

so you agree that this will be economically damaging then

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That depends if we wish to apply high EU-style tariffs.

Meanwhile non-EU tariffs will be able to be cut drastically, something we can't do now thanks to French farmers - for example.

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so either we pay more for imports, shit on our domestic production and/or lower our standards (which you're probably gagging for)
great

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Oh dear. You really can only view Brexit through the GDP lense, can't you?

For most of us who voted Leave it had nothing to do with GDP.

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this thread is to do with money, so yes I am going to talk about money

Brexit is 97 days away. #brexit

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Jeremy Corbyn reaffirms Labour policy of leaving EU despite pressure https://t.co/bjnkYqe6eG

— The Guardian (@guardian) December 21, 2018

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

I said later on that it isn't, it's just you seem to think it's a simple process when there's probably a lot more to it than you think

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Isn't that true for everything in life? But we don't shrug our shoulders as a nation and say we cannot be arsed with it. It's the same laziness that has infected the British ruling class since the Suez Crisis - a lack of confidence in ourselves. Prepare and stand up for ourselves, for once.

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They're not in recession because they're not about to dump every trade deal they have, what a dumb thing to say.

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If anything this surely points out the stupidity of our part in European integration over the last forty years. It was always clear that the end goal was going to be unacceptable to Britain, and as treaty after treaty dragged us further into this project the more public opinion turned against it. We shouldn't have joined in the first place, we certainly should have left in the 1990s with EEC > EU and thank god we are leaving now before it becomes even harder to leave. The fact we will have to replicate FTAs only further adds to the question that will be asked by future generations: why on earth did it take us to long to leave?

On trade deals generally though, the importance is often overstated. Something like 90% of the British economy is internal, with about 50% of that 10% being related to trade with the European Union. That will continue to decrease. So we're talking really small fish here anyway.

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It's also a perfectly normal thing to seek trade arrangements rather than shit on all of them and our neighbours.

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Isn't that the EU by trying to annex Northern Ireland for a trade deal?

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Originally Posted by dbgtz

so you agree that this will be economically damaging then

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Not at all. But if it were - as I always say - I would gladly pay the price.

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so either we pay more for imports, shit on our domestic production and/or lower our standards (which you're probably gagging for)
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So your solution is to outsource our trade policy to 27 other countries with their own needs and interest?

And that make sense... how? At least independent we can now fine tune it to our own needs.

Still no shift with 76 days to go.

New - it's still a coin toss

"Imagine there was referendum tomorrow. Should the UK remain a member of EU or leave?"

Remain 51%
Leave 49%

Leavers 92% "Leave"
Remainers 90% "Remain"
Conservatives 68% "Leave"
Labour 68% "Remain"

Survation Jan 11

— Matt Goodwin (@GoodwinMJ) January 12, 2019