So practically no movement still then and within the MoE.
Bit of Brexit bantz couple of days ago.
I kept my promise to @JunckerEU and gave him a pair of Union Jack socks! 🇬🇧 pic.twitter.com/nsxxW1XfyP
— Nigel Farage (@Nigel_Farage) September 12, 2018
10% difference = margin of error
<4% = clear will of the people?
dont half cherry pick do you
There's not 10% difference in the graph you posted let alone in all the polling on this. Indeed, the latest two Survation polls had it at 50-50 and 51-49.
In any case, we've had the referendum. Try again in 43 years like we had to.
granted it's not 10%, slight exaggeration, but still larger than the difference in the result
don't claim margin of error for one thing but not another
Has Boris launched yet it has definitely been days
I love thisvote again"People's Vote" campaign - what was the last vote then, a non-person vote?
The MoE is 3% and much of the post-referendum polling has been in that range.Quote:
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...rendum_polling
I learn May loyalist Mike Penning savages Chequers plan in @telegraph interview, saying he will not be "blackmailed" into backing plan that betrays Brexit voters & cannot vote for it. Similar attack to that of Remainer @JustineGreening. May more and more isolated in her own party
— Robert Peston (@Peston) September 19, 2018
it's not a vote again if it's a different vote but okQuote:
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probably best not you criticise that given the whole will of the people shit but ok
just for clarity, margin of error isn't a fixed number and is worth looking at the actual report rather than assumingQuote:
The MoE is 3% and much of the post-referendum polling has been in that range.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...rendum_polling
I learn May loyalist Mike Penning savages Chequers plan in @telegraph interview, saying he will not be "blackmailed" into backing plan that betrays Brexit voters & cannot vote for it. Similar attack to that of Remainer @JustineGreening. May more and more isolated in her own party
— Robert Peston (@Peston) September 19, 2018
it's also a bit silly to just look solely at one poll and assume it's an error and it is better to look at general trends, as in that wikipedia it's pretty clear for in favour of remaining for about a year now (on the yougov polls)
Well that depends on the referendum option. If, unlike the "Peoples Vote", the referendum was on No Deal (WTO) vs Chequers Deal, then yes it wouldn't be a re-run of the original vote. But if it's a re-run of Remain vs Leave as they want, then it is the typical EU response to any democratic vote of making people vote again. Only yesterday in the Salzburg summit did we have the Czech and Maltese PMs telling us to vote again - how DARE they.Quote:
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"Will of the people shit"Quote:
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Otherwise known as democracy.
In standard 1,000 polls the MoE is 3.1% or something.Quote:
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And in favour of remaining... just like the polls before the referendum!
Remain should be an option, but I will agree it shouldn't just be remain vs leave should it happen.Quote:
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Equally chequers should not be an option as it is unworkable.
Except you know it's misleading as a) trends are favouring remain and b) those 52% voted to leave, but did not vote on what leave meantQuote:
"Will of the people shit"
Otherwise known as democracy.
most polls seem to be more mid 1k which would mean a moe <3%Quote:
In standard 1,000 polls the MoE is 3.1% or something.
And in favour of remaining... just like the polls before the referendum!
also pretty silly to look at pre and post referendum given the different circumstances
Well, Chequers is dead tonight after the summit with the PM left looking like an utter fool.
Ironically, the EU and the Brexiteers are now in full agreement with one another. That Britain should fully leave, and conclude a Canada++ FTA with the EU following a transition. It's only Number 10 who think otherwise - and Olly Robbens aka Grima Wormtongue in the Civil Service.
#Salzburg latest
— Faisal Islam (@faisalislam) September 20, 2018
PM: it’s my Chequers Deal or No Deal
Tusk: EU27 agree Chequers “will not work”
Dutch PM: Netherlands is more prepared than UK for No Deal
French PRes: UK politicos who sold Brexit are “liars”
The hills are indeed alive...Post Tusk mauling, @DavidDavisMP tells PM to now dump Chequers for Canada. Tells me: "Now is the time for the Prime Minister to reset the negotiation and take Tusk's March offer of a free trade plus deal".
— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) September 20, 2018Theresa May doesn't have the political room to go Norway even if she wanted to. So, if the EU won't bite on Chequers, then she is going to be pushed back towards Canada
— James Forsyth (@JGForsyth) September 20, 2018That was an extraordinary press conference from May. In the room we could see she was visibly angry and shaking through out it #EUCO
— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) September 20, 2018Break: May suggests for first time she will abandon Chequers - but only if EU make their own proposal for frictionless goods trade.
— Tom Newton Dunn (@tnewtondunn) September 20, 2018I've always thought that there would come a time when we'd have to consider walking away from the Brexit talks. Everyone surely has a bottom line and we've just reached it. I've thought in recent weeks that a deal is 85% likely. Not now.
— Iain Dale ⚒️🇺🇦.🇮🇱. (@IainDale) September 20, 2018Let's say though in this continuity-remainer world, that they do make us vote again. What do you think is going to happen? Seriously now.Quote:
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People didn't know what Leave meant?Quote:
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And Remain sit there, stupidly scratching their heads, wondering why they did not win.