European Election Results 2009

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well if you trully do not support him i do apologise but it was the message I seemed to get.

I think your indictment of me "making the biggest fool of myself ever" is a tad dramatic to be quite honest. I think you will find if you actually look back over your array of posts and see your ever changing attitude and stance towards issues and clear presence of self double standards - I am most certainly not the fool on this occasion. :rolleyes:

In addition, I am sorry but I disagree with the fact that you claim you do not support BNP. Whether or not you would go out and vote for them at the next general election does not define whether or not you support them.

The fact you are actually taking so much time and effort to argue with other members in relation to BNP and their poltical policies - you are in turn giving them support. Therefore you support them. You may not support them directly or support all their policies, but you definitely are showing everyone you support them to some extent.

For you to claim you do not support them, is like me posting numerous messages saying how much Tony Blair should remain in power because his policies are correct or that things could only get better - then turning round and saying I do not support him would simply be completely ludicrous, as you are in affect giving them at least some level of political party support.

You claimed you looked at my posts and it was "clear" that I support Gordon Brown, yet I have never once in my whole history on Habbox Forum supported the man and his government. What is clear is that all you did was look at my poll and predicted my opinion from there, which goes to show you haven't a clue what you are talking about.

I don't know how to make this more clear;

I do not support the BNP, they are racist, thugs who are indeed facists. I agree with the principles of some of their policies which are the same principles as the policies of the Conservative Party and UKIP.

I am defending common sense, I am sick of political correctness in this country and I think behind the EU it is the biggest problem our country faces. I would either ban all race groups, BNP and BPOA included, or allow them both, allowing would be my preferred option as I am for democracy.

Why did I jump in on the BNP argument? - because people who are supporting them earlier on in the thread were being called racists/facists when the majority of peope who vote BNP are neither, they are just fged up with political correctness.

Why do I support them having seats in the EU parliament? - that is democracy and they were dualy elected, they have pledged to find out more about the waste of money the EU is and I say good luck. It will also mean, that now if they grow, the main partys will have to address, once and for all, political correctness that has engulfed this country.

[Ostinato]

If you agree with their policies then you support them. There is no evading it. Just like if I agree that it is right for Osama Bin Laden to bomb the world - i support him.

You simply cannot compare the creation of the BPOA and BNP though. Like I say they were created for completely different purposes and thats what annoys me most. The fact that deluded BNP supports seem to think they are somewhat on the same level and the BPOA is a 'racist' organisation when in fact it was created to reduce racism within the police force!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I agree with the principles of some of their policies, I agree with controlled immigration, but I don't agree with sending black people, asian people and so on home and I don't agree with a permanent ban on immigration. If its the case that if you agree with the principles of one policy of a party then we are all guilty of supporting the BNP because most people will find something in the BNP manifesto or any partys manifesto that they agree with. If I was for the BNP and I supported some of their socialist policies then I would be very opposed to UKIP and the Conservatives who stand economically and in parts socially, against everything the BNP stands for.

BNP are for big government, nationalisation and a closed United Kingdom, I am the opposite. I have said before and i'll say it again, freedom with immigration but by sensible means.

I couldn't endorse UKIP more than I have already, to me they are everything I stand for and I actually can't think of something I disagree with them over, I am truly for private industry and free markets with people given the freedom to set up business without interference from the state, the BNP are for nationalisation which is the opposite of privatisation.

You can though, both are intended for seperate races and we will never have racial harmony until both are gone.

[jam666]

If you agree with their policies then you support them. There is no evading it. Just like if I agree that it is right for Osama Bin Laden to bomb the world - i support him.

You simply cannot compare the creation of the BPOA and BNP though. Like I say they were created for completely different purposes and thats what annoys me most. The fact that deluded BNP supports seem to think they are somewhat on the same level and the BPOA is a 'racist' organisation when in fact it was created to reduce racism within the police force!

This is a very stupid approach to the issue. So your saying if i agreed with the fact that the BNP want to withdraw from the EU i support them?

Hell No! I am completely against the BNP i despise them they are a horrible party with criminal leaders, However the Conservatives and UKIP for that matter also do not want to be part of the EU so just because the BNP also supports this view doesnt mean i support them.

[Ostinato]

This is a very stupid approach to the issue. So your saying if i agreed with the fact that the BNP want to withdraw from the EU i support them?

Hell No! I am completely against the BNP i despise them they are a horrible party with criminal leaders, However the Conservatives and UKIP for that matter also do not want to be part of the EU so just because the BNP also supports this view doesnt mean i support them.

Well yes to an extent. Just because you are not rallying round and voting for them doesn't mean you do not support them.

I think the thing here is that undertaker in particular seems to think I am criticising him for supporting BNP. I couldn't really care less, it's a free country. I agree with a couple of labour policies and so therefore I would admit that I partially support them - however I wouldn't go out and vote for them (at least until brown is out).

The fact undertaker is arguing so hard and spending so much time and energy defending different BNP policies - I think it is very clear he does support them (at least to an extent).

[-:Undertaker:-]

Well yes to an extent. Just because you are not rallying round and voting for them doesn't mean you do not support them.

I think the thing here is that undertaker in particular seems to think I am criticising him for supporting BNP. I couldn't really care less, it's a free country. I agree with a couple of labour policies and so therefore I would admit that I partially support them - however I wouldn't go out and vote for them (at least until brown is out).

The fact undertaker is arguing so hard and spending so much time and energy defending different BNP policies - I think it is very clear he does support them (at least to an extent).

In that case then, the vast majority of this forum will support the BNP as there will probably be at least one policy they agree with/partly agree with. I have been through the principles of some of their policies I support, so if thats supporting them then so be it, as the majority of this country support them going by that logic.

UKIP matches every one of my opinions on how this country should be run, with the Conservatives being second. BNP are nowhere near, I do however and will continue to stick up for them in discussions like these and people will continue to vote for them while there is institutional apartheid on the side of the state and it is wrong, wrong, wrong.

I have said it before and i'll say it again, the day political correctness is cut back with the abolishment of organisations such as the BPOA then that will be the end of the BNP overnight. Until then they have a case i'm afraid.

[LuketheDuke]

I think people on here need to probably take a much greater look at the value of politics and societies used within the civil service to ensure equality is preserved.

The BNP are a reactionary party of people with questionable intentions who say radical things to give thesmelves publicity. Nick Griffin denied the Holocaust and has pushed for schemes which involves payed incentives for foreign migrants to leave the country. Has anyone noticed no one with any non British ancestory is allowed to join?

Also this argument for positive discrimination in the police force is deemed to be racist? All organisations like that do is to check that jobs are given to the best qualified candidates to stop discrimination in the work place.

If you want an exmaple of a broken institution look at the House of Commons, the proportion of women/ethnic minorities to white caucasian males is completely out of balance.

I voted Green!

[-:Undertaker:-]

I think people on here need to probably take a much greater look at the value of politics and societies used within the civil service to ensure equality is preserved.

The BNP are a reactionary party of people with questionable intentions who say radical things to give thesmelves publicity. Nick Griffin denied the Holocaust and has pushed for schemes which involves payed incentives for foreign migrants to leave the country. Has anyone noticed no one with any non British ancestory is allowed to join?

Also this argument for positive discrimination in the police force is deemed to be racist? All organisations like that do is to check that jobs are given to the best qualified candidates to stop discrimination in the work place.

If you want an exmaple of a broken institution look at the House of Commons, the proportion of women/ethnic minorities to white caucasian males is completely out of balance.

I voted Green!

However only something like 96% of our population is black/asian/etc so in reality it should only be out of every 100 MP's, only 4 are of a different race. This is wrong anyway, you shouldn't vote/hire someone based on race, sex or sexuality - you hire them if they are good for the job.

[LuketheDuke]

Check area likes St Pauls in Bristol and Norwood in South London, areas with diverse communities yet have typical politicians.

And I agree that the best person for the job needs to be hired, which is why organisations which encourage positive discrimination are a good thing as it means the above sentiments are truly met, yet some people have suggested its racist?

[-:Undertaker:-]

You do not need regulations/guides for so many black people/disabled people in an organisation - you hire on who is best for the job, not who has a suitable skin colour.

The government is creating an apartheid system, why would a British (a mainly white country) parliament need to have a certain amount of MP's who are black/asian/etc when the country is mainly white, it is the same with women. Politics interests men much more than women, hence why there are more male MP's.

If someone offered me a job just because of my skin colour i'd turn it down, I want to be hired based on my qualifications and skills and not the colour of my skin/sex/sexuality.