Antivirus

[mrwoooooooo]

Most anti-virus's used are well known anti-viruses on the market.

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[=Sam]

But you are more likely to get a rogue av if you download unheard of ones, and how on earth do you know their effectivess?

No "coder/programmer" as you put it gives two ***** about the average persons computer, they just don't.

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In fact hackers do very much, if they're trying to infect your computer with what an AV protects.

I'm not suggesting anybody downloads a rogue AV, I recommend people make an educated and informed decision about whatever it is they download in the first place. Also you get what you pay for, and if you pay for nothing you're likely to get exactly that.

Have a look around, ask some people as this chap has done on the forums, but also ask the right people through the correct channels. Such as a white hat hacker, who will tell you the exact same thing I'm writing now.

Lastly, If you're going to make a statement - at least have some sort of reference to back your opinion up.

Cheers bud.

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Edited by Bolt660 (Acting Forum Super Moderator): Please do not be rude towards other forum members!

[mrwoooooooo]

In fact hackers do very much, if they're trying to infect your computer with what an AV protects.

I'm not suggesting anybody downloads a rogue AV, I recommend people make an educated and informed decision about whatever it is they download in the first place. Also you get what you pay for, and if you pay for nothing you're likely to get exactly that.

Have a look around, ask some people as this chap has done on the forums, but also ask the right people through the correct channels. Such as a white hat hacker, who will tell you the exact same thing I'm writing now.

Lastly, If you're going to make a statement - at least have some sort of reference to back your opinion up.

Cheers bud.

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Why are you so insistent with telling people to ask on other specialist forums, they're hardly questions for white hats to be answering.

[peteyt]

In fact hackers do very much, if they're trying to infect your computer with what an AV protects.

I'm not suggesting anybody downloads a rogue AV, I recommend people make an educated and informed decision about whatever it is they download in the first place. Also you get what you pay for, and if you pay for nothing you're likely to get exactly that.

Have a look around, ask some people as this chap has done on the forums, but also ask the right people through the correct channels. Such as a white hat hacker, who will tell you the exact same thing I'm writing now.

Lastly, If you're going to make a statement - at least have some sort of reference to back your opinion up.

I would just like to point out that you have given nothing yourself to back the fact that unknown antivirus programs are actually safer.

The real safer ones are usually the expensive ones, maybe they are unknown because they are only used by tech companies, but this might actually give people more reason to hack them because there'd be stuff worth a lot more to steal. What it really comes down to is how powerful the engines and other technologies used are and how often they are updated. Add onto that simple common sense.

The best one's are the one's that use multiple types of protection and most today thankfully do. Today definitions are not enough to protect you so lots of AV's use multiple technologies. Often this is simply being able to identify dangerous behaviour even if there is no definition available with some AVs actually running stuff through a sandboxed mode first to test what they do in a virtual environment.

I use Eset myself and it's often recommended by many in the computer tech industry but it isn't sadly free (although their might be a free version). I also use sandboxie a free sandbox application that allows you to run anything in it in a virtual mode. For example you can open your browser in it and then download and even install applications in it with your security suite still picking up if its a virus (if it's a good one). This is good for testing possible dangerous programs as they are in a virtual mode and once you close it it's gone.

[Chippiewill]

Microsoft Security Essentials for Windows 7 or below. Microsoft Defender comes with Windows 8. Just an FYI, barring zero-day exploits MSSE has essentially a 100% success rate, and the chance of running into a zero day exploit is something like 0.05%, with common sense its 0%.

If you want to go paid then ESET's NOD32 is the way to go for an Antivirus, you may wish to get the whole of ESET's Smart Security suite but it's not really needed.

[Adam]

just don't go on dodgy sites.

[peteyt]

Microsoft Security Essentials for Windows 7 or below. Microsoft Defender comes with Windows 8. Just an FYI, barring zero-day exploits MSSE has essentially a 100% success rate, and the chance of running into a zero day exploit is something like 0.05%, with common sense its 0%.

If you want to go paid then ESET's NOD32 is the way to go for an Antivirus, you may wish to get the whole of ESET's Smart Security suite but it's not really needed.

Didn't MSSE fail on some tests or got really poor results?

[Chippiewill]

It did poorly on zero day exploits because it doesn't employ heuristics. Positives; Never gets a false positive. Negatives; Won't protect you against undiscovered viruses. In reality the chance of you encountering a zero day exploit is so slim that you're better of with MSSE because it's so reliable for everything else.

[AgnesIO]

In fact hackers do very much, if they're trying to infect your computer with what an AV protects.

I'm not suggesting anybody downloads a rogue AV, I recommend people make an educated and informed decision about whatever it is they download in the first place. Also you get what you pay for, and if you pay for nothing you're likely to get exactly that.

Have a look around, ask some people as this chap has done on the forums, but also ask the right people through the correct channels. Such as a white hat hacker, who will tell you the exact same thing I'm writing now.

Lastly, If you're going to make a statement - at least have some sort of reference to back your opinion up.

Cheers bud.

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Hypocrite.

Where are your references that the average consumer should use obscure anti viruses that no one has heard of :S

[=Sam]

Hypocrite.

Where are your references that the average consumer should use obscure anti viruses that no one has heard of :S

I love your feedback man, you seem to really love me.

"Studies in December 2007 showed that the effectiveness of antivirus software had decreased in the previous year, particularly against unknown or zero day attacks. The computer magazine c't found that detection rates for these threats had dropped from 40-50% in 2006 to 20-30% in 2007. At that time, the only exception was the NOD32 antivirus, which managed a detection rate of 68 percent.^[48]

The problem is magnified by the changing intent of virus authors. Some years ago it was obvious when a virus infection was present. The viruses of the day, written by amateurs, exhibited destructive behavior or pop-ups. Modern viruses are often written by professionals, financed by criminal organizations.^[49]
Independent testing on all the major virus scanners consistently shows that none provide 100% virus detection. The best ones provided as high as 99.6% detection, while the lowest provided only 81.8% in tests conducted in February 2010. All virus scanners produce false positive results as well, identifying benign files as malware.^[50]
Although methodologies may differ, some notable independent quality testing agencies include AV-Comparatives, ICSA Labs, West Coast Labs, VB100 and other members of the Anti-Malware Testing Standards Organization.^[51]"

Just for you buddy. I won't ask for your reference as I'm well aware you don't have one.

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I would just like to point out that you have given nothing yourself to back the fact that unknown antivirus programs are actually safer.

The real safer ones are usually the expensive ones, maybe they are unknown because they are only used by tech companies, but this might actually give people more reason to hack them because there'd be stuff worth a lot more to steal. What it really comes down to is how powerful the engines and other technologies used are and how often they are updated. Add onto that simple common sense.

The best one's are the one's that use multiple types of protection and most today thankfully do. Today definitions are not enough to protect you so lots of AV's use multiple technologies. Often this is simply being able to identify dangerous behaviour even if there is no definition available with some AVs actually running stuff through a sandboxed mode first to test what they do in a virtual environment.

I use Eset myself and it's often recommended by many in the computer tech industry but it isn't sadly free (although their might be a free version). I also use sandboxie a free sandbox application that allows you to run anything in it in a virtual mode. For example you can open your browser in it and then download and even install applications in it with your security suite still picking up if its a virus (if it's a good one). This is good for testing possible dangerous programs as they are in a virtual mode and once you close it it's gone.

Just encouraging good human behavior man, although I appreciate it. What you've written is knowledgeable and I do respect that bro.

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Why are you so insistent with telling people to ask on other specialist forums, they're hardly questions for white hats to be answering.

Habbox deals with habbo primarily.

I disagree.