Which political view is best for Britain?

[Jippz]

Nah, i was just slating big brother in general. You should read Dead Famous

[Pazza]

Nah, i was just slating big brother in general. You should read Dead Famous

I'VE READ IT

[Mentor]

You cannot say that though, for the millions who died under it you cannot just say "lets give it another try" - we gave it a try, it failed.

No ones ever died directly due to socialism? Socialism is just about taking social responsibility for those in your community less fortunate than yourself. Old labour was am socialist party out and out. New labour on the other hand is just re-branded conservatives, while conservatives under camron have just come re-branded labour. Both are way to center for my likeing, these days they may as well be one party.

Capitalism does not benefit just rich people and kills nobody. Does your dad work for a business/own a bussines? - or does anybody you know own a business?. Infact, have you ever bought something like sweets, and sold them on to someone for a higher price?

Its killed a lot more than socialism? Pure capitalism is the government who leaves people to die on the streets because they cant afford medical help, and lets old people die in the gutter if they cant afford houseing.
Socialist policys like we have in Britain add a very important saftey net in my opinion, sure this can be abused, but its pros far outweight its cons.

[-:Undertaker:-]

No ones ever died directly due to socialism? Socialism is just about taking social responsibility for those in your community less fortunate than yourself. Old labour was am socialist party out and out. New labour on the other hand is just re-branded conservatives, while conservatives under camron have just come re-branded labour. Both are way to center for my likeing, these days they may as well be one party.


Its killed a lot more than socialism? Pure capitalism is the government who leaves people to die on the streets because they cant afford medical help, and lets old people die in the gutter if they cant afford houseing.
Socialist policys like we have in Britain add a very important saftey net in my opinion, sure this can be abused, but its pros far outweight its cons.

They have, the purges it had against so called 'enemies of the state' and the poverty caused by socialism. Socialism may say it is that but it is not, as Thatcher said; there is no such thing as society. If you lose your home, who do you rely on? - the state. If you need welfare who do you rely on? - the state.

It has not, hardly any country is ever fully capitalist, there is always aid/welfare in capitalist countrys at various levels. Those who died in the gulags, died trying to cross the Berlin Wall and so on died to try and get into a capitalist society.

Its often people dont know how lucky they are here in the western world.

[Jippz]

No ones ever died directly due to socialism? Socialism is just about taking social responsibility for those in your community less fortunate than yourself. Old labour was am socialist party out and out. New labour on the other hand is just re-branded conservatives, while conservatives under camron have just come re-branded labour. Both are way to center for my likeing, these days they may as well be one party.


Its killed a lot more than socialism? Pure capitalism is the government who leaves people to die on the streets because they cant afford medical help, and lets old people die in the gutter if they cant afford houseing.
Socialist policys like we have in Britain add a very important saftey net in my opinion, sure this can be abused, but its pros far outweight its cons.

I've been trying to say this. Capitalism has killed far more than socialism, but socialism's failures seem to be recorded far more.
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[-:Undertaker:-]

I've been trying to say this. Capitalism has killed far more than socialism, but socialism's failures seem to be recorded far more.
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Come on then, where have the hundreds of millions of people who have apparently died under capitalism gone to?. The mass graves across the world in socialist countrys says it all, if you think capitalism has killed hundreds of millions of people like socialism then you need to read up on your history.

[LuketheDuke]

Iraq.

lot of people died for very suspect, greedy motives.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Iraq.

lot of people died for very suspect, greedy motives.

That, although I disagree with it so much and so many levels; it was a war, people die in wars. The purges we are talking about. Although I believe Iraq was better under Saddam Hussein and the Ba'ath Party they still had mass graves of their people, and the Ba'ath Party is socialist. To even match the amount of dead via socialism you would need many, many Iraq Wars.

The Iraqis killed were not killed because they were 'enemies of the state', they died as the result of a war/invasion.

[Jordy]

Actually the deaths in socialism are hardly ever recorded, the governments are ever so secretive it's difficult to get any reliable news out of the likes of China, it has improved in the last 5-10 years dramatically but to be fair I wouldn't be surprised if they've had some major incidents go unnoticed in the last few decades. Tiananmen square is a good example of this, possibly 3000 killed by the "Peoples" army in the "Peoples" republic, who even knows how many died? I can't see any examples of capitalism killing on mass it's own people.

Capitalism doesn't kill it's own people which is more important than anything when it comes to governments.

[LuketheDuke]

British troops were sent into Iraq under false pretences, some have died for the lies fed to them and for what? Oil reserves.

Capitalism can manifest greed and we see that everyday. Crime caused by money, social hireachy determined by how big your wallet is, happiness seems to ride on the thing.

Its wrong to say socialism as an ideal is a bad thing as it isnt, people twist such a thing and make it something it isnt. The same happens with Capitalism and people have made that point clearly so its naive to dismiss it completely.