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    Default New five pound note: Not suitable for vegetarians

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    The UK's new fiver has won many fans since it was launched in September.

    It's tough. It doesn't tear. You can spill beer on it, put it through the washing machine and it will survive to buy another round.

    But one thing it turns out it's not, is fat-free.

    Because it turns out the plastic polymer it's made from also contains small amounts of tallow, derived from animal waste products - and some vegetarians are not happy.

    Familiar to previous generations as the base for every day staples such as soap and candles, tallow is traditionally derived from beef or mutton (but sometimes pork) at the slaughterhouse or later in the food production process.

    'Essence of bacon'

    Vegans and vegetarians faced with this revelation have taken to social media to voice their concern and over 5,000 people have signed a petition calling for the contents of the notes to be changed.

    "We demand that you cease to use animal products in the production of currency that we have to use," the petition reads.

    On Twitter annoyed vegetarians and vegans have said it's "not cool" and "disgusting" and asking whether their rights have been considered.

    However others have responded with rather more tongue-in-cheek approach, suggesting an "essence of bacon" is desirable in the UK's currency, speculating how many calories a fiver now contains and offering to relieve any affronted vegetarians of their unwanted notes.
    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38144598


    Seems to be kicking off on social media about this at the moment. So what are peoples thoughts?
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    A veggie-student nut on my Facebook was going on about this.

    A lot of things in life are made using animal fat. Get over it.



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    They don't seem to mind about the billions of insects killed for their soy beans and cotton, bunch of hypocrites who only care if the animals are cute
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    you're not supposed to eat them

    i joke ofc

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    @-:Undertaker:-; animal fat is used in a lot of things but it doesn't make it okay
    @FlyingJesus; it's impossible to be 100% vegan and those who choose the lifestyle are aware of that as veganism is about making the best effort where it is possible and practical to exclude the cruelty and exploitation of sentient beings, a lot of vegan activists to talk about how insects are just as important and raise awareness to the killing of insects but the fact is that using tallow in these notes is just pointless really and could've been easily avoided without the exploitation on such a wide scale and it's been put in something as necessary as money


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    I'm in the mindset of that I don't really care, but maybe they should've come out first and said something in their announcement and people would've still been pissed off but got over it a lock quicker than they did now. Same thing though - it's quite a strange thing to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elegance
    animal fat is used in a lot of things but it doesn't make it okay
    what do you mean by 'okay'

    virtually all parts of animals slaughtered are used in some way or other in quite genius ways meaning little waste. mankind has been incredibly resourceful in using all the parts to make food, clothing, greases, oils and all sorts. it's fantastic.

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    1. Beer
    Guinness contains Isinglass, a chemical found in fish bladders. Isinglass gathers stray yeast cells during the fermenting process and solidifies them into a mass which settles on the bottom of the barrel for removal.

    2. Perfume
    Some scents, especially those that smell like vanilla, list castoreum as an ingredient. Castoreum comes from beavers' castor sacs — a gland located between the animal's pelvis and the base of its tail.

    Also used as a flavor, "Fernelli's Handbook of Flavor Ingredients" lists the byproduct as an ingredient in frozen dairy, gelatins, puddings, and nonalcoholic beverages.

    3. Plastic bags
    Many plastics, like commercial shopping bags, contain chemicals often referred to as "slip agents," which are derived from the stearic acid in animal fat. They essentially prevent the polymers from sticking to metals during manufacturing and clinging to each other afterward. Some bike tires also contain these elements.

    4. Downy
    Downy, the detergent endorsed by the snuggly child, contains dihydrogenated tallow dimethyl ammonium chloride — or a derivative of rendered cattle, sheep, and horse fat mixed with ammonium. This process creates a quaternary ammonium compound, or a quat, which basically coats your clothes in lipids, making them feel soft.

    5. Sugar
    The refining processes for both white and brown sugar often use bone char, a granular material from animal ashes. It gives sugar its white color.

    6. Condoms
    Traditionally, condom production has included the addition of casein, a protein found in animal milk, which acts as a lubricant. Some brands, like GLYDE, however, have gone vegan.

    7. Nail polish
    Shimmery cosmetics, like nail polish or lipstick, contain guanine (sometimes listed as "pearl essence"), one of the four base components of RNA and DNA. Companies obtain it from fish (notably, herring) scales.

    8. Crayons
    As part of the rendering industry, which disposes of otherwise unused animal waste, the creation of crayons often includes animal fat, according to a 2004 Congressional report.

    Paraffin is the main ingredient in the most popular crayons, but not many would expect mammalian byproducts in children's art supplies.

    9. Cake mixes
    Cake mixes sometimes contain beef fat, according to Ann Byrn's book, "The Cake Mix Doctor." Many call for oil or shortening while others just add dehydrated versions of these to minimize the additional ingredients required. Hostess, a confectionery company which recently went under new management, also puts beef fat in their famous cupcakes.

    10. Red candy
    Red cochineal beetles, when dried and crushed, produce a powder called carmine, which is used as an all-encompassing dye in red foods like candy, ice cream, and yogurt. Though it previously slipped under the radar as "artificial coloring," the FDA has required manufacturers to explicitly list carmine on food labels since early 2011.

    Edible shellac, also known as confectioner's glaze, coats most hard, shiny candy, with the notable exception of M&Ms. It's made from the excretions of female lac bugs (Kerria lacca).

    11. Some orange juice
    Many companies now supplement orange juice with Omega-3 fatty acids, found in fish. Such ingredients are broadly defined as "neutraceuticals," or food-derived additives that are meant to increase consumer health.

    12. Bagels
    L-cysteine, a chemical in bread products, is made mostly from bird feathers with some human and hog hair mixed in. While companies can make synthetic L-cys (for short), it's an expensive process. Most of the industrially used chemical is extracted from animals and used in products like bagels and Lunchables, according to Mother Jones.

    13. Cigarettes
    Hemoglobin derived from pig's blood is — or at least once was — included in some cigarette filters.
    quite frankly anyone who has some sort of moral objection to using animals is wishing for a world that has never existed.
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    moderator alert Edited by Catchy (Trialist Forum Moderator): Please don't make pointless posts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    what do you mean by 'okay'

    virtually all parts of animals slaughtered are used in some way or other in quite genius ways meaning little waste. mankind has been incredibly resourceful in using all the parts to make food, clothing, greases, oils and all sorts. it's fantastic.



    quite frankly anyone who has some sort of moral objection to using animals is wishing for a world that has never existed.
    i mean it's not okay in the sense that the use of animal fats isn't something someone should be told to just 'get over'

    i wouldn't call the process of slaughter 'genius' in the slighest, there are alternatives for all of the things you listed which can be achieved without the exploitation and involvement of animals

    refer to my response to fj


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    this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever read, so you telling me they've never sat on a leather sofa???

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