106-year-old resident loses battle against carehome closure

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It isn't different in an economic sense. Higher taxes are not an issue if the money paid leads to an output by the council demanded by taxpayers. When Marginal Spending =/= Determined Marginal Output , that's when you have an issue and that's when you stop spending in that area.

It does, because it deprives the private sector which is the most successful sector and the sector which provides growth, thirsty for cash. Socialism has shown this alex, what you are proposing is socialism - it has been tried, tested and the result was a fail.

Have you never heard of a budget surplus?

Yeah I have, and we don't have surpluses in this country. If we did have surpluses, I would bring taxes right down as far as I could so people could spend their money how they want and not how the government wants.

You don't know what a free market is. You've already shown this in earlier posts. I believe that government shouldn't come to me and say i can't import something from somewhere because there is no agreement with that country to do so. If say, washing machines were £500 here but only €300 in Belgium, why should I have to pay import tax on it? Why should I have to pay import tax on stuff I buy from outside the EU? It's not a free market that's why.

The European Union is not a free market, the European Union tells you what you can and cannot buy, what can be imported, what farmers can grow on their fields, where they can sell it. That is not free market, if it was such a free market as you claim, why are numerous French and German politicians aka EU officals claiming we need to put a stop to anglo-american capitalism if they themselves exercise it?

If the wealth should trickle down, why doesn't everyone's income rise at the same rate? It's because it doesn't work that's why. Economic goals are to improve life for everyone not the select few.

Due to the fact higher wages flucuate based on profit, and the fact that the higher up you are, the higher your wages jump based on how shares and so on are doing. Yeah they are, but prosperity is not a right, it is a goal - a goal which can and should only be achieved by those who made their money.

My Dad achieves his economic goals, whereas say somebody whos on benefits on a council estate doesn't because quite simply either they cannot be bothered or didn't listen in school, both which are the foundations of laziness. Why should somebody like that have the same 'economic goal' as my father and numerous other hard working successful people in this country?

According to your logic though, almost everywhere in europe is socialist now and they hate democracy. I'm not a socialist.

The European Union is socialist yes, and it has many former communists working for it in the higher ranks. Nobody has voted on this European Union because; a) nobody wants it hence why we aren't being given a say on it & b) you refuse to accept that the people should have a say on it.

You are a socialist, everything you say is socialist. You may not like to admit it, but you are socialist. Your ideas and thoughts are socialist. You don't like to admit this because you know nobody could possibly take you seriously if you admitted this;- the examples I have given of failed socialism time and time again are indefendable, it failed.

Yeah but why should we spend money on her in particular? It's like your argument is, let's not waste money here on things i don't agree on and waste it here instead. That local area already has ample care homes and are under pressure to cut costs. You are making excuses already for right-wing problems , showing that there are major issues with the system.

I have said it very clearly what I mean and I will say it again; while our government spends millions on the unelected, undemocratic EU everyday, while our government funds pointless jobsworths who come from the Guardian everyday, while our government gives billions to other countries then there is no reason why we are firstly in debt, and secondly why this carehome should be closed down.

So why should the issue of burkas go to a referendum, surely the freedom of the individual comes before laws of the state?

Of course they do, but the fact of the matter is that other garments such as motorcyle helmets are also banned inside places such as banks and airports, so why should burkas be an exception. UKIP are not proposing a total ban and I wouldn't agree with that anyway, they are simply proposing that burkas be banned in places such as banks and airports, just as helmets and other attire are.

lmao i have read the swp and other people's websites and what they want is ridiculous, plus most socialists are purely wums. I don't agree with them because eventually it makes everyone poorer.

..so why on earth do you repeat what they are saying but in a more trendy/non-left wing fashion. Just like New Labour and Old Labour - totally the same thing, just with a lot of spin involved.

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It does, because it deprives the private sector which is the most successful sector and the sector which provides growth, thirsty for cash. Socialism has shown this alex, what you are proposing is socialism - it has been tried, tested and the result was a fail.

you clearly don't understand.

Yeah I have, and we don't have surpluses in this country. If we did have surpluses, I would bring taxes right down as far as I could so people could spend their money how they want and not how the government wants.

but some of those god-awful 'socialist' (used in the lightest sense of the word), states do. oh ok. look at https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html and you can see that there are a number of european 'socialist' nations have positive accounts whilst us have a negative balance. Granted, we are not as bad as France or Spain and we are alot better off than the USA.

The European Union is not a free market, the European Union tells you what you can and cannot buy, what can be imported, what farmers can grow on their fields, where they can sell it. That is not free market, if it was such a free market as you claim, why are numerous French and German politicians aka EU officals claiming we need to put a stop to anglo-american capitalism if they themselves exercise it?

It's a common market between all member states, mainly free, apart from the farming/food sector. Like I said, it doesn't make sense efficiency wise to be producing things at a higher cost here when they can be imported for less from the rest of the EU.

Due to the fact higher wages flucuate based on profit, and the fact that the higher up you are, the higher your wages jump based on how shares and so on are doing. Yeah they are, but prosperity is not a right, it is a goal - a goal which can and should only be achieved by those who made their money.

Have you any reason to believe that higher wages come from higher profit? Higher wages only occur when a shortage of quality labour. We aren't even in a perfect labour market so large companies in relatively small locations have a large say in how much they pay their workers, it's called a monopsony.

My Dad achieves his economic goals, whereas say somebody whos on benefits on a council estate doesn't because quite simply either they cannot be bothered or didn't listen in school, both which are the foundations of laziness. Why should somebody like that have the same 'economic goal' as my father and numerous other hard working successful people in this country?

An 'economic goal' is a goal set by a government, not an individual. :rolleyes:

The European Union is socialist yes, and it has many former communists working for it in the higher ranks. Nobody has voted on this European Union because; a) nobody wants it hence why we aren't being given a say on it & b) you refuse to accept that the people should have a say on it.

You are a socialist, everything you say is socialist. You may not like to admit it, but you are socialist. Your ideas and thoughts are socialist. You don't like to admit this because you know nobody could possibly take you seriously if you admitted this;- the examples I have given of failed socialism time and time again are indefendable, it failed.

Socialists hate globalisation and free trade as it destroys their inability to keep their own isolated markets running if they're completely inefficient. Why do some industries leave this country? It's because they cannot be as efficient as elsewhere. That's why after joining the common market, as you said, orchards closed down. I applaud the closing down of such industries and investing and specialising in certain sectors. We have sort of done this with the banking sector. likewise i've given you examples of working 'socialism' (which it isn't really) and you turn your head!

I have said it very clearly what I mean and I will say it again; while our government spends millions on the unelected, undemocratic EU everyday, while our government funds pointless jobsworths who come from the Guardian everyday, while our government gives billions to other countries then there is no reason why we are firstly in debt, and secondly why this carehome should be closed down.

those same jobs that are advertised in the telegraph. (Y) because the carehome is inefficient.

Of course they do, but the fact of the matter is that other garments such as motorcyle helmets are also banned inside places such as banks and airports, so why should burkas be an exception. UKIP are not proposing a total ban and I wouldn't agree with that anyway, they are simply proposing that burkas be banned in places such as banks and airports, just as helmets and other attire are.

Surely it's up to the bank and airport operator to decide, not the government?

..so why on earth do you repeat what they are saying but in a more trendy/non-left wing fashion. Just like New Labour and Old Labour - totally the same thing, just with a lot of spin involved.

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you clearly don't understand.

I do, its you who ignores history.

but some of those god-awful 'socialist' (used in the lightest sense of the word), states do. oh ok. look at https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat.../2187rank.html and you can see that there are a number of european 'socialist' nations have positive accounts whilst us have a negative balance. Granted, we are not as bad as France or Spain and we are alot better off than the USA.

That has nothing to do with capitalism/socialism, Chinas economy is one of the most capitalist economies on the earth by some aspects. Russia is also a massively capitalist economy and is on there because of its gas reserves, same with Saudi Arabia for its oil fields and Germany for its heavy industry.

It's a common market between all member states, mainly free, apart from the farming/food sector. Like I said, it doesn't make sense efficiency wise to be producing things at a higher cost here when they can be imported for less from the rest of the EU.

That is not free market then 'between member states' so basically it is the same as a protectionist treaty between a group of countries. On the rest of the EU, it doesn't make sense to be importing from the EU when we can buy things cheaper from the rest of the world.

Have you any reason to believe that higher wages come from higher profit? Higher wages only occur when a shortage of quality labour. We aren't even in a perfect labour market so large companies in relatively small locations have a large say in how much they pay their workers, it's called a monopsony.

Yes, the more successful a company is the more loose with money. As shown by Christmas bonuses this year or last year when times are rough bonuses do not come, when they are not tough firms can take on more people, can give more generous job payouts and bonuses.

An 'economic goal' is a goal set by a government, not an individual. :rolleyes:

It depends what you are talking about, are we talking nationally or the man on the street. An economic goal by a government is rarely ever scored, as shown by this government when we are going to be one of the last to leave the recession.

Socialists hate globalisation and free trade as it destroys their inability to keep their own isolated markets running if they're completely inefficient. Why do some industries leave this country? It's because they cannot be as efficient as elsewhere. That's why after joining the common market, as you said, orchards closed down. I applaud the closing down of such industries and investing and specialising in certain sectors. We have sort of done this with the banking sector. likewise i've given you examples of working 'socialism' (which it isn't really) and you turn your head!

Hang on, haven't in the past you been one of those who criticised Thatcher for closing the bankrupt mines? - you also 'applaud' the banking sector yet have called for our anglo-american values to be shunned (as the EU wants to do) which make our economy so successful because it is so free.

those same jobs that are advertised in the telegraph. (Y) because the carehome is inefficient.

They are more common by far in the Guardian, thats how the Guardian runs alex, because unlike most other papers it struggles to sell because its left-wing. It relys on government money to survive. The Telegraph will also most likely have government jobs which are of no use what so ever to us, and the government should stop wasting our money now on the public sector.

I read something like 6 million people now work for the public sector, thats an increase of 1 million under this government - aka the unemployment level at the moment should have 1 million added to it. Thats how Labour get votes though, let them nasty tories in and they will cut your cushy jobs on stupendous wages which offer nothing to this country!

Surely it's up to the bank and airport operator to decide, not the government?

Are a bank/airport really going to suggest banning burkas? - we know what its like, Michael Howard was labelled racist by Labour in 2005 when he merely suggested controls and a cap be placed on immigration.