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    Quote Originally Posted by despect View Post
    Sometimes you cant fully prove it so its literally your word to go by.
    If there's not enough evidence just as well to prove that you're guilty of murder with malicious intent, then you don't go to jail either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landon View Post
    If there's not enough evidence just as well to prove that you're guilty of murder with malicious intent, then you don't go to jail either.
    So if theres no prove you kinda get away with it?








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    Quote Originally Posted by despect View Post
    So if theres no prove you kinda get away with it?
    This is on a whole different topic, keep in mind. If there's no proof for murder then you get away with it. So let's say you stab someone and the jury votes in your favor - you get away with it. Rare that there is no proof but you get it.

    Now let's say you stab someone and there were witnesses and all, someone had pulled a gun or a knife on you and you kill them. You're let off because it is completely legal to defend yourself.

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    You wouldn't need guns to defend yourself if nobody had a gun in the first place though? "Give everyone a gun so they can defend themselves from other people with guns"

    However I do see there COULD be a need for some self defence "weapons" in SOME areas, but less lethal. Pepper spray should do the trick, or at the very most a Taser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryfront View Post
    You wouldn't need guns to defend yourself if nobody had a gun in the first place though? "Give everyone a gun so they can defend themselves from other people with guns"

    However I do see there COULD be a need for some self defence "weapons" in SOME areas, but less lethal. Pepper spray should do the trick, or at the very most a Taser.

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    Again. Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on a weapon. The fantasy that "guns should not be here" is false. Never gonna happen even if the government sent police forces to raid houses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by peteyt View Post
    But that's what your saying about guns. Your saying guns shouldn't be banned because criminals will get hold of them still and then people will be weaponless. It's my belief a lot of the school massacres would never have happened if guns weren't allowed. Surely it's better to try everything to prevent people getting weapons than nothing at all.
    Absolutely correct, would be a hell of a lot less shootings if that were the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landon View Post
    Police take time to respond. (Aka get dispatched, accelerate, finally arrive at the location) That's normally 3 to 5 mins here. That's a lot of dead people my friend. :/ A person strolling around the streets with a concealed weapon does not take time to respond. Multiple good people = good outcome.
    How many innocent people have died to shooting in the USA again?

    Again, for school shootings half of the time it's teenagers grabbing their parents weapons. They wouldn't have them so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    Again, for school shootings half of the time it's teenagers grabbing their parents weapons. They wouldn't have them so.
    Source please

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landon View Post
    Again. Criminals will always find a way to get their hands on a weapon. The fantasy that "guns should not be here" is false. Never gonna happen even if the government sent police forces to raid houses.
    As someone had previously mentioned, drug addicts will always find a way to get their hands on drugs let's make them legal?

    Why not? the people who want to get them are going to get them either way?

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottish View Post
    As someone had previously mentioned, drug addicts will always find a way to get their hands on drugs let's make them legal?

    Why not? the people who want to get them are going to get them either way?
    Legal in what way? If they became legal to sell at shops and all, they'd be taxed by the government which means they would endorse the selling.

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    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...heir-guns.html
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a...heir_guns.html
    http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/most-guns...tained-legally
    http://everytownresearch.org/reports...ings-analysis/
    http://www.vpc.org/studies/wgunint.htm
    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san...egally-n474441
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...7946ae1d300d#8
    https://www.bustle.com/articles/1143...s-are-involved

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCC_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marysv...chool_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Monica_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazard...oting_incident
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oikos_University_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chardo...chool_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northe...rsity_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Tech_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_C...Life_shootings
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_N...chool_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Lake_massacre
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appala...f_Law_shooting
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Andrew_Williams
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columb...chool_massacre
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westsi...chool_massacre
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thurst...chool_shooting

    Feel free to go have a read on all of them.

    Ultimately the vast majority of weapons used in mass murder is legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landon View Post
    Legal in what way? If they became legal to sell at shops and all, they'd be taxed by the government which means they would endorse the selling.
    Make them VAT exempt in that case no tax is charged on the drugs and the government aren't 'endorsing' them?

    Legal in the only way that legal means, not illegal.

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