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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I think we're straying off topic now but you should keep in mind that Biblical phrase,

    Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

    Disagreement with something doesn't always have to require state action. Exercise some liberalism.
    If you'd like your marriage to be invalid, called a terrorist due to some other people's actions, be refused service because of your sexuality and generally be viewed as inferior, go ahead. Otherwise, I suggest you stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hungryfront View Post
    If you'd like your marriage to be invalid, called a terrorist due to some other people's actions, be refused service because of your sexuality and generally be viewed as inferior, go ahead. Otherwise, I suggest you stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    It's the principle of it. You've justified all that state legislation in the paragraphs you've posted just as someone can justify state legislation in regards to the internet & social media in terms of making us safe from terrorism. All of this legislation may well may us safer as naturally an all-powerful state will be able to take a very active role in society, but it takes away our freedoms and creates an overbearing state. But you can't argue for one and then dismiss the other because you don't like it.

    How about on most issues asking ourselves is this really the place of government to do this? We'd be a lot better for it.
    Except it doesn't make us safer in the slightest, that's the point I was trying to make. It opens individuals and businesses up to genuine risk and will not assist in counter-terrorism in the slightest. Stop being so fixated on the concept of freedom for just one minute and actually think about how terrible of an idea this is. This isn't even on the same level of a bloody smoking ban (oh no god forbid you have to smoke outside instead of inside which causes health issues).

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    If somebody didn't want to serve me I would actually be glad if they told me so I could take my money + custom elsewhere.
    Must be KKK.

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    Thought I'd add my opinion. I don't smoke but work on customer service and so sell them. The newest legislation is that they can no longer sell any cigarettes less than 20 or tobacco less than 30g and it all has to be sold in plain packaging yet it also has to be still hidden. Hiding them and removing the colour will do nothing those who smoke will continue to smoke and already know the risks. I've heard its to stop young people smoking yet alcohol isn't hidden or in plain packaging.

    I actually also think smoke free pubs is a nice thing but it should be down to the venue. It's like cinemas only allowing food and drink purchased on the premises its understandable but would be stupid if the government suddenly got involved.

    As for the internet thing i don't see it happening. It would make too much noise. The thing is if people want to do things online secretly they will. Trying to makd it harder will just force people to hide even better

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