Manchester arena 'explosion'.

[Absently]

why do we always have to do this in these threads? can't people just simply mourn the dead without turning it into a massive **** debate? jesus **** christ

[lemons]

Undertaker raises interesting points that I may not completely agree with but millions of people will be sharing similar views on!

[FlyingJesus]

but its true? if ur going to be so adamant at getting justice and making yourself seem like such a good person for these 22 killed and 50 something injured why dont you focus on the other thousands of people in this world who are fighting for their lives and dying due to many injustices in this cruel and sick world.

So what you're saying is no-one can ever be upset about anything or mention a single tragedy unless they also talk about everything else that's ever been bad in all of history. Righto.

[Landon]

you watch them and put thousands of man hours on watching their every move and monitoring what they do

like they do to everyone else on the list

which results in thwarting hundreds of terror plots and threats

the two who have "slipped through the net" recently were effectively first time offenders so there was no way they could have been stopped. Unless we just deported everyone I guess then the country would be totes safe

actually you know what all recent terror attacks have been male, not all have been muslims

DEPORT ALL MEN!!!! DEPORT ALL MEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Essentially what you are summarizing is that we do nothing. Okay.

[lawrawrrr]

Thousands are currently being watched by security, meaning there must be grounds for watching them. The evidence is there. Personally, I think fear of upsetting followers of this religion is what is preventing action being taken as they're terrified of riots beginning - that's why for example in France and Belgium (Molenbeek), areas known to be hotbeds of Islamic extremism have effectively been abandoned by state security services because any attempt to carry out raids is met with stones being thrown, petrol bombs and riots.

It's the same reason why nothing was done over the Rotherham child abuse. Afraid to confront the problem.

ok so obviously you get your news from the wonderful and always totally accurate tabloids cos MI5 haven't release the list of people on th watch list.

Also... deporting people isn't really in fear of upsetting followers it's probably more to do with there's very little evidence for most, they're just BEING WATCHED

I have a Habbox watch list and it's the same CONCEPT as that. I don't ban those people, I just have a funny feeling about them so I carefully watch their posts, check IPs occasionally, etc, and occasionally one does get to the level where they endanger habboxers so we do the best we can to mitigate the damage and move on.

[Landon]

why do we always have to do this in these threads? can't people just simply mourn the dead without turning it into a massive **** debate? jesus **** christ

This is the current affairs forum. Based on the sticky, you should expect political arguments.

[myles]

So what you're saying is no-one can ever be upset about anything or mention a single tragedy unless they also talk about everything else that's ever been bad in all of history. Righto.

no im just frustrated that worse things happen in the world and they dont get the same recognition in the media. the fact that it was an ariana grande concert is perhaps the only reason why this has gone world wide

[lawrawrrr]

Essentially what you are summarizing is that we do nothing. Okay.

essentially what i am summarising is that the general public are literally useless


essentially what i am summarising is deporting ALL MUSLIMS is bloody ridiculous because there are thousands who have never even had a terrorist thought in their life.

and like i said in my post above being on a watch list doesn't necessarily mean you should be deprted (or banned in my example) right away. But I understand why that's quite hard to comprehend. It's very clear what you and Dan both think should happen but it's not exactly humane

[Landon]

It's very clear what you and Dan both think should happen but it's not exactly humane

Perhaps the old-time definition of humane needs to change in today's society.

[scottish]

i don't think Ariana grande has any impact on how newsworthy this has been, maybe a slight bit due to her target audience (young girls). If it's was a concert with 50 year olds coming out it would still be as newsworthy.