HORRIBLE fire in London

[lemons]

12 people confirmed dead now... still expected to rise

If the plastic cladding is to blame for the rapid spread of the fire then it will be very damning for the people who developed it and also the government and politicians who have ignored residents for years regarding safety issues. The plastic cladding is going up all over tower blocks in London to make them look nicer and more attractive for luxury flat owners while ignoring the working class and the deep social issues associated with them! Outdated tower blocks need to be knocked down and new housing estates and shorter apartment buildings built (already happening in some areas)

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Listen to an angry and upset resident of #GrenfellTower. Anyone who lives in London will recognise this story. pic.twitter.com/jZZ3xl5S0D

— EL4C (@EL4JC) June 14, 2017

This boy spoke a lot of sense on BBC this morning (apart from him saying it wasn't an accident)

[MKR&*42]

Apparently there have been numerous government failings being reported today concerning this - like BoJo shutting down numerous fire stations, MPs voting against a bill to enforce landlords to make houses habitable, a report that came out four years ago warning about the fire risk of buildings such as this one etc.

I mean everything is coming back to bite the conservatives so bad.

[lemons]

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/

This blog, run by local residents of the block predicted such an event due to safety failings, speaks volumes - so surreal

[Landon]

https://grenfellactiongroup.wordpress.com/

This blog, run by local residents of the block predicted such an event due to safety failings, speaks volumes - so surreal

Crazy! Lawsuits for a long time to come, I guarantee it.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Apparently there have been numerous government failings being reported today concerning this - like BoJo shutting down numerous fire stations, MPs voting against a bill to enforce landlords to make houses habitable, a report that came out four years ago warning about the fire risk of buildings such as this one etc.

I mean everything is coming back to bite the conservatives so bad.

All of which are totally irrelevant.

IF ONLY we'd doubled state spending then fires would never happen and we could have sprinkler systems everywhere.

[Landon]

All of which are totally irrelevant.

IF ONLY we'd doubled state spending then fires would never happen and we could have sprinkler systems everywhere.

Did I hear correctly that this building was grandfathered into an old code?

[-:Undertaker:-]

Did I hear correctly that this building was grandfathered into an old code?

What's that mean?

[Landon]

What's that mean?

Essentially means that since the building is up by the time the new fire codes are created, it obviously doesn't have to comply with the new ones or something like that. Idk how it really works.

But to put it in perspective its like if you've got an old phone on a plan and they technically clear the plan from being sold, you can still remain on the plan. That's called being grandfathered in.

[-:Undertaker:-]

Essentially means that since the building is up by the time the new fire codes are created, it obviously doesn't have to comply with the new ones or something like that. Idk how it really works.

But to put it in perspective its like if you've got an old phone on a plan and they technically clear the plan from being sold, you can still remain on the plan. That's called being grandfathered in.

Oh. Not heard of that before, must be a yank expression.

I expect so. The building is one of those badly built 1960s or 1970s eyesores that the government threw up following World War II and they were dire. As soon as most of them were built they had problems. Most around the country have now been demolished.

My own city had dozens around the city centre and there's like only four left standing.

[Charlie]

It's horrible that lives were lost simply because they decided to turn a blind eye to the complaints they received but I guess they didn't want to put money into something they want to get rid of. In some ways, they've managed to get what they want because I doubt they'd be able to save the tower now so it'll be destroyed. I just wish it was under better circumstances.