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    So practically no movement still then and within the MoE.

    Bit of Brexit bantz couple of days ago.




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    10% difference = margin of error
    <4% = clear will of the people?

    dont half cherry pick do you

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    There's not 10% difference in the graph you posted let alone in all the polling on this. Indeed, the latest two Survation polls had it at 50-50 and 51-49.

    In any case, we've had the referendum. Try again in 43 years like we had to.

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    granted it's not 10%, slight exaggeration, but still larger than the difference in the result
    don't claim margin of error for one thing but not another

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    I love this vote again "People's Vote" campaign - what was the last vote then, a non-person vote?

    Quote Originally Posted by dbgtz View Post
    granted it's not 10%, slight exaggeration, but still larger than the difference in the result
    don't claim margin of error for one thing but not another
    The MoE is 3% and much of the post-referendum polling has been in that range.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...rendum_polling

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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    I love this vote again "People's Vote" campaign - what was the last vote then, a non-person vote?
    it's not a vote again if it's a different vote but ok
    probably best not you criticise that given the whole will of the people shit but ok

    The MoE is 3% and much of the post-referendum polling has been in that range.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinio...rendum_polling

    just for clarity, margin of error isn't a fixed number and is worth looking at the actual report rather than assuming

    it's also a bit silly to just look solely at one poll and assume it's an error and it is better to look at general trends, as in that wikipedia it's pretty clear for in favour of remaining for about a year now (on the yougov polls)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbgtz View Post
    it's not a vote again if it's a different vote but ok
    Well that depends on the referendum option. If, unlike the "Peoples Vote", the referendum was on No Deal (WTO) vs Chequers Deal, then yes it wouldn't be a re-run of the original vote. But if it's a re-run of Remain vs Leave as they want, then it is the typical EU response to any democratic vote of making people vote again. Only yesterday in the Salzburg summit did we have the Czech and Maltese PMs telling us to vote again - how DARE they.

    Quote Originally Posted by dbgtz
    probably best not you criticise that given the whole will of the people shit but ok
    "Will of the people shit"

    Otherwise known as democracy.

    Quote Originally Posted by dgbtz
    just for clarity, margin of error isn't a fixed number and is worth looking at the actual report rather than assuming

    it's also a bit silly to just look solely at one poll and assume it's an error and it is better to look at general trends, as in that wikipedia it's pretty clear for in favour of remaining for about a year now (on the yougov polls)
    In standard 1,000 polls the MoE is 3.1% or something.

    And in favour of remaining... just like the polls before the referendum!



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    Quote Originally Posted by -:Undertaker:- View Post
    Well that depends on the referendum option. If, unlike the "Peoples Vote", the referendum was on No Deal (WTO) vs Chequers Deal, then yes it wouldn't be a re-run of the original vote. But if it's a re-run of Remain vs Leave as they want, then it is the typical EU response to any democratic vote of making people vote again. Only yesterday in the Salzburg summit did we have the Czech and Maltese PMs telling us to vote again - how DARE they.
    Remain should be an option, but I will agree it shouldn't just be remain vs leave should it happen.
    Equally chequers should not be an option as it is unworkable.

    "Will of the people shit"

    Otherwise known as democracy.
    Except you know it's misleading as a) trends are favouring remain and b) those 52% voted to leave, but did not vote on what leave meant

    In standard 1,000 polls the MoE is 3.1% or something.

    And in favour of remaining... just like the polls before the referendum!
    most polls seem to be more mid 1k which would mean a moe %
    also pretty silly to look at pre and post referendum given the different circumstances

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    Well, Chequers is dead tonight after the summit with the PM left looking like an utter fool.

    Ironically, the EU and the Brexiteers are now in full agreement with one another. That Britain should fully leave, and conclude a Canada++ FTA with the EU following a transition. It's only Number 10 who think otherwise - and Olly Robbens aka Grima Wormtongue in the Civil Service.

    Quote Originally Posted by dbgtz View Post
    Remain should be an option, but I will agree it shouldn't just be remain vs leave should it happen.
    Equally chequers should not be an option as it is unworkable.
    Let's say though in this continuity-remainer world, that they do make us vote again. What do you think is going to happen? Seriously now.

    Quote Originally Posted by dbgtz
    Except you know it's misleading as a) trends are favouring remain and b) those 52% voted to leave, but did not vote on what leave meant
    People didn't know what Leave meant?

    And Remain sit there, stupidly scratching their heads, wondering why they did not win.
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