mass shooting in PA while... NRA is calling for more guns

[dirrty]

The well anticipated news conference on the National Riffle Association took place today in Washington, D.C. The Executive Vice President of the organization delivered the usual script of denying any liability while at the same time promoting more carnage. His solution is to put an armed police officer in each school in the country. He said: “The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.”

While he was conducting his propaganda on today, a gunman was walking down the street in Frankstown, PA randomly shooting at people at about 11 a.m. Three men are reported dead including the shooter as well as a female victim. One state trooper was injured by gun fire but the injuries are not life threatening thanks to his bullet proof vest. Two other state troopers were injured by an automobile.

The identity of the shooter is not know at this time nor has the names of his victims been released. Frankstown, PA is located about thirty miles west of Harrisburg which is the state's capital city.

Those who would like some real reforms in the gun laws nationally were prayerfully hoping that Wayne LaPierre would have had a "Come to Jesus" moment following the shooting in Newtown, CT last Friday. But instead he doubled down on the idea of more guns in the hands of more citizens as the answer to the nation's gun problem.

http://www.examiner.com/article/mass...-for-more-guns

don't think it's already been posted.

fighting fire with fire (especially in schools) is not the right answer, bloody hell! the LAST thing anywhere needs is more weapons in such public areas. i personally doubt anything will change though, but civilians just shouldn't be allowed such high-powered guns.

[FlyingJesus]

If the air's full of bullets we're all safe right

[Chippiewill]

£100 on the guy being a 21/12/12 fanatic

[peteyt]

I read an article on my phone at work earlier similar to this. Basically claiming if good people had the guns, teachers etc. then the massacre would have been avoided.

The big question is who are these good people? How do you decide? These pro gun people at the moment seem to be acting like you can tell good between bad with ease. So we give teachers guns. What if one teacher actually is a lunatic but acts normal, because many killers, murders, criminals etc. appear to be normal and sane. Imagine then this person goes around killing people, maybe he gets sick of kids at school, we all know how annoying kids can get. He flips and we get a new massacre.

[-:Undertaker:-]

I read an article on my phone at work earlier similar to this. Basically claiming if good people had the guns, teachers etc. then the massacre would have been avoided.

The big question is who are these good people? How do you decide? These pro gun people at the moment seem to be acting like you can tell good between bad with ease. So we give teachers guns. What if one teacher actually is a lunatic but acts normal, because many killers, murders, criminals etc. appear to be normal and sane. Imagine then this person goes around killing people, maybe he gets sick of kids at school, we all know how annoying kids can get. He flips and we get a new massacre.

But that is the point, that events such as the Sandybrooks Massacre are unpredictable and will always occur... so the question isn't whether or not they will occur (because they will) the question is; what are we going to do about it? and I fully back the NRA stance that teachers ought to be armed and that 'gun free zones' in schools ought to be abolished and signs instead put up telling criminals that staff are armed to protect children.

In Israel the teachers are armed and there's not a problem, better armed against a madman than not I would think.

[FlyingJesus]

No problems in Israel that is the most hilarious thing you have ever said Dan

[The Don]

But that is the point, that events such as the Sandybrooks Massacre are unpredictable and will always occur... so the question isn't whether or not they will occur (because they will) the question is; what are we going to do about it? and I fully back the NRA stance that teachers ought to be armed and that 'gun free zones' in schools ought to be abolished and signs instead put up telling criminals that staff are armed to protect children.

In Israel the teachers are armed and there's not a problem, better armed against a madman than not I would think.

better if a madman isn't armed...

[dirrty]

As White House gun control petitions plead with President Obama for tighter laws, many are taking a good look at tight gun controls in Japan and their low shooting deaths. Not a new thing for Japan, 1600s saw restrictive gun controls ensured to "almost total prohibition of firearms." Today, gun licensing is required and is heavily regulated by Japan's National Police Agency, :

* No-one in Japan shall possess a fire-arm or fire-arms or a sword or swords, and very few exceptions are allowed.
* The only types of firearms which a Japanese citizen may acquire are rifles or shotguns.
* Sportsmen are permitted to possess rifles or shotguns for hunting and for skeet and trap shooting, but only after submitting to a lengthy licensing procedure.
* Without a license, a Japanese citizen may not even hold a gun in his or her hands.
* Shotguns and rifles for hunting or sports may be possessed upon completion of a licensing procedure that requires a police background check, successful completion of a safety course, passing of shooting, written, and psychological tests, and police verification of secure storage, prior to approval being granted by the police to purchase a firearm.
* Fully automatic weapons are restricted to military and police. Gun owners must take a class once a year and pass a written test.

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/339130

pity all of this would never happen in the US. imagine the uproar...

@-:Undertaker:-; that's the responsibility of law enforcement. teachers are only there to teach and offer educational support. not become gun-wielding 'protectors'. it's not their responsibility to make up for the government's lack of control on gun crime, what weapons are allowed and who gets hold of them.

[dbgtz]

But that is the point, that events such as the Sandybrooks Massacre are unpredictable and will always occur... so the question isn't whether or not they will occur (because they will) the question is; what are we going to do about it? and I fully back the NRA stance that teachers ought to be armed and that 'gun free zones' in schools ought to be abolished and signs instead put up telling criminals that staff are armed to protect children.

In Israel the teachers are armed and there's not a problem, better armed against a madman than not I would think.

I think you keep missing the point when it comes to arming people. You assume that everyone has a fair proficiency with guns and reject the idea that some people do not have the ability to kill another, even if in defence.

[The Don]

I think you keep missing the point when it comes to arming people. You assume that everyone has a fair proficiency with guns and reject the idea that some people do not have the ability to kill another, even if in defence.

And he seems to have the view that "if a criminal wants to get a gun, then they will get one whether they are legal or not" which completely ignores opportunists who wouldn't go on school shooting sprees if their dad didn't have a gun in his office cabinet. Not to mention the fact that (admittedly this isn't the case for the us) guns are ridiculously hard to get a hold of (talking about the uk and Dan arguing in another thread that guns should be legalised).